This guy predicted that in 2008 he and his church would be ruling New Zealand. In the 2008 election his party didnt even score 1% of the total party vote.
Anyhow, my question is this, how many failed prophecies does a prophet have to make before they are officially considered a false prophet?
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The rules concerning the office of a prophet have never changed other than we don't get to stone him/her anymore.
Whenever GOD is speaking through a prophet/prophetess and foretelling things by HIS wisdom, it is to be GOD speaking at that moment, not that person. That is the only way that it will be true.
The greatest example of how a prophet of GOD can mess things up is seen in the 28th chapter of Jeremiah. Hannaniah, a prophet of GOD, spoke things of his own accord before folks and claimed they were from GOD. GOD killed him about 6 months later.
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This guy predicted that in 2008 he and his church would be ruling New Zealand. In the 2008 election his party didnt even score 1% of the total party vote.
Anyhow, my question is this, how many failed prophecies does a prophet have to make before they are officially considered a false prophet?
There's a big difference between making a prediction and speaking prophecy and what this man did was make a prediction, he did not prophecy.
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There's a big difference between making a prediction and speaking prophecy and what this man did was make a prediction, he did not prophecy.
Semantics dont you think
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Nice accent. He did say predict, that is different to 'thus sayeth the lord' and although he ran for office (if what you say is true) he could have been talking generally about christians nationwide because of a christian revival, not his church personally. It was the guy afterwards that turned it into 'you' (which can still mean because they're christian.)
Embaressing to be off the mark, (and very much so) but he could also still be right about what he felt God said, that revival would hit NZ first, to the point of so many becoming christians that they ended up heading the political arena.
It's happened in the past and can happen again. All christian nations originally started out pagan at some point, and christianity has ebbed and flowed under different revivals within nations individually.
An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will.
A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.
Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing.
The vocation or condition of a prophet.
A prediction.
Sorry people, I think we are playing with semantics,
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And I think you have a pentagram for an avatar for a reason. He said "I predict' not 'God said' for the five year idea. He then said 'I feel very strongly in my heart that the word of the lord came to me' etc on the thing about NZ which has not been proved false yet.
No, but I must say that I predicted to myself that someone was going to use that over used word semantics here sooner or later.
Am I a prophet of God now because I predicted something that came to pass?
__________________ God didn't send His Son to pay for the forgiveness of your sin, and then decide He is going to require you to make installment payments. He only requires you to believe that the FULL PAYMENT was done, over 2000 yr. ago..........then you'll stop trying to make the installments on something you could never pay for anyway. The Good News is that you are debt free!
I believe there is a hell and you won’t go there for what you do, but for what you BELIEVE. (answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus!)
God loves you, and there is nothing you can do or say about it!
Last edited by nephilimiyr; 7th November 2009 at 07:52 AM.
Where in the bible does it say that a prophecy is prefaced by "thus sayeth the Lord"
Where does it say anywhere that any and all predictions are biblical prophecies?
__________________ God didn't send His Son to pay for the forgiveness of your sin, and then decide He is going to require you to make installment payments. He only requires you to believe that the FULL PAYMENT was done, over 2000 yr. ago..........then you'll stop trying to make the installments on something you could never pay for anyway. The Good News is that you are debt free!
I believe there is a hell and you won’t go there for what you do, but for what you BELIEVE. (answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus!)
God loves you, and there is nothing you can do or say about it!
Last edited by nephilimiyr; 7th November 2009 at 07:22 AM.