This subject may be probably one of the most intense that there is.
I have my own thoughts on this but I honestly believe that it would do us ALL good to look at this with each other and share our views.
It is important that we have some unity of faith concerning these end times.
#1 PLEASE allow each and everyone who posts to provide their complete understanding, by not attacking or debating their belief... for one week.
IF we let each and everyone of us say what we have come to know and understand, without debate, we may be able to see a better picture of where we really are right now in real time...In other words I am asking y'all to treat this thread like a place where we can give our denominations statement of faith and not have to explain it...for now. ONE WEEK is all I am asking. That way we will not be encumbered with someone asking the same questions over and over... And #2 PLEASE...let's do our best to keep this OP. Thanks
Brother Jerry
Questions:
Are we in the beginning of the Great Tribulation? And why you believe this.
If we are not in the Great Tribulation, how far are we from it starting? And why you believe this.
What do you believe marks the beginning of the Great Tribulation? And why you believe this.
How long do you believe that the Great Tribulation lasts? And why you believe this.
Do we have to stay here during the entire Great Tribulation? And why you believe this.
J
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Last edited by B1inHim; 7th November 2009 at 01:59 AM.
i'm going to summarize what i believe, at this point. President Obama has turned his back on Israel and thrown them into the lion's den, so to speak. I believe we have entered into the tribulation time, and i believe, because of what our president did, the evil will accellerate now, and the time is shortened.
I believe at best, we may have 5 years till God rolls up His sleeve, and shows the world and the prince of this world, Who's Boss. I'm even wondering if 5 years is realistic. It may be less time than that.
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"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
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This subject may be probably one of the most intense that there is.
I have my own thoughts on this but I honestly believe that it would do us ALL good to look at this with each other and share our views.
It is important that we have some unity of faith concerning these end times.
#1 PLEASE allow each and everyone who posts to provide their complete understanding, by not attacking or debating their belief... for one week.
IF we let each and everyone of us say what we have come to know and understand, without debate, we may be able to see a better picture of where we really are right now in real time...In other words I am asking y'all to treat this thread like a place where we can give our denominations statement of faith and not have to explain it...for now. ONE WEEK is all I am asking. That way we will not be encumbered with someone asking the same questions over and over... And #2 PLEASE...let's do our best to keep this OP. Thanks
Brother Jerry
Questions:
Are we in the beginning of the Great Tribulation? And why you believe this.
no...we are not yet in that time we are still waiting for the NWO to form and become world wide and then fail...
Satan is cast from heaven then, and his apeparance heals the deadly wound.
Jesus taught that there would be wars and rumours of wars...meaning that the trib would not begin until there was no more wars..
iow the world system has to be in place...
the NWO must exist and be a complete world system
If we are not in the Great Tribulation, how far are we from it starting? And why you believe this.
Only God really knows...but IMO not that long...we can see the beginnings of the NWO today, although it has a ways to go
What do you believe marks the beginning of the Great Tribulation? And why you believe this.
answered above...
How long do you believe that the Great Tribulation lasts? And why you believe this.
5 months...Rev9 imo = the shorteneing of the trib that Jesus spoke about, for the elect's sake...
Do we have to stay here during the entire Great Tribulation?
And why you believe this.
J
of course we do...the church/believers are definitely here against the beast....the candlesticks are defined as churches in Rev1, and further defined in Rev2-3
2 candlesticks (churches) are seen against the beast in Rev11....
and
we see Satan cast out of heaven and to the earth in Rev12, and the last verse shows that he goes after the believers... Satan even overcomes them (with a flood of lies)... beguiles them/turns them from virgins in waiting (for Christ) into whores (worshiping Satan in disguise)
so we are sure here in that time...
either elect and protected, or beguiled and fooled...
plus, the same gathering spoke of in 1Thes4, is also the subject of 1Cor15, Mat24, Mar13, Luk21, Rev19...to name but a few.
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[/font] Jesus taught that there would be wars and rumours of wars...meaning that the trib would not begin until there was no more wars.. Wars and rumours of wars = no more wars. oh boy.
Really trib. seems to = wars to me, among other things, not absence of them.
5 months...Rev9 imo = the shorteneing of the trib that Jesus spoke about, for the elect's sake...
the 5 months is just one part of the tribulation which goes on for years.
Biblical precedent does not allow any forecasting for the timing of the tribulation by Gentiles, it does mention warning signs for the Hebrew believers of the end-time.
The first chapters mention a group of widely separated believers that share certain OT experiences, making them Hebrews a plausable option.
The next chapter reveals the figure of 4 as associated with judgment as per Jeremiah, and the four horsemen sent by God as per Zechariah.
The only detail left is that the prophetic clock only starts when the roll is handed over.
How did you come up with that date..............just curious?
Problem #1 some people see the great tribulations as from the first trumpet others see it as only the persecution of Christians under the AC .............
As for me I see the trumpets as the start of the plagues and the start of wrath of God............and the whole thing as the great Tribulation............Now it has not started and when it does very very few will recognise it as such most will see it as natural disasters as time goes on a large part of christianity will blame a small section of people who they see as claiming to be Christian but wh are really Devil worshippers........Just afte the fifth trumpet these people willbe dragged into the streets given mock trials in some cases but all will be put to death. the people who do this willbelieve they serve God.
When??????????????????? no one can know not even the son
Rev. 22:20-21 (KJV)
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[21] The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Love,
Brother Jerry
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