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9th November 2009, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lenpettis74  I'll let the title of the thread be my question. 
Catholics/Christians do not worship the same God as Moslems. Mohammad is not a disciple of Christ. They do not celebrate  Easter.
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9th November 2009, 03:42 PM
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Reps: 3,070,193,490,385,677,824 (power: 3,070,193,490,385,696) | | Originally Posted by wayseer Not at all - there is nothing 'simple' here.
You are taking a literalist view and denying any historical factors - like the split between Jew and Gentile believers. Until you acknowledge the problems facing the early church over the matter of 'the Jews' you will fail to understand what John has Jesus saying.
Hbr. 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Only one way, truth, life---Jesus Christ.
They can read.
Is. 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
But like many, they don't want to submit. Jn. 11:48 If we let him (Jesus Christ) thus alone, all [men] will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
Notice too their prophecy ALL MEN WILL BELIEVE ON HIM. One way, truth, life---Jesus Christ.
Eph. 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
So, the God and a god. They are not the same. Like others that God raised up, however, be sure to understand what is going on.
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9th November 2009, 03:44 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by lenpettis74 I'll let the title of the thread be my question.
Define this God.
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
9th November 2009, 03:52 PM
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I beg to differ. Speaking of Jesus Christ, Acts 4:12 states: And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved (ESV)
Christians are those who have entered salvation (and heaven) through Jesus Christ only. Eternal salvation is provided through nobody else! |
9th November 2009, 04:08 PM
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I beg to differ. Speaking of Jesus Christ, Acts 4:12 states:
Christians are those who have entered salvation (and heaven) through Jesus Christ only. Eternal salvation is provided through nobody else!
Jesus said it is not the one that calls me Lord but the one that obeys my command to love right? Christianity is not about using majic words, but about loving others, correct? It is not about saying you will love, but about actually showing compassion for others in need, is that not true?
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9th November 2009, 04:12 PM
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I don't disagree with what you have said. However, the topic we are pursuing is: Is there any other way to heaven/eternal life than through Jesus Christ and His redemption? |
9th November 2009, 05:11 PM
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Reps: 1,100,777,478,970,303,104 (power: 1,100,777,478,970,327) | | Originally Posted by OzSpen catherineanne,
I beg to differ. Speaking of Jesus Christ, Acts 4:12 states:
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved (ESV)
Christians are those who have entered salvation (and heaven) through Jesus Christ only. Eternal salvation is provided through nobody else!
Again, you are mistaken. Stick to the words, rather than adding to them; Acts says there is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved. In other words, invoking the name of Mohammed cannot save anyone, the name of Christ can. This is NOT the same thing as saying there will be no Moslems in heaven. Many Christians may interpret it that way, but this is NOT what the Bible says; it is an additional, man made gospel, once again.
Acts does not say that there is no salvation anywhere else, for those of another faith. And, as already said twice now, Our Lord himself in Matthew 25 makes perfectly clear that the benchmark is Christ's sacrificial love, shown to one another; such love is ALWAYS regarded as shown to God Incarnate, whatever our faith, and whether we know him or not.
Which is, incidentally, the message of the whole Bible.
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Reps: 1,100,777,478,970,303,104 (power: 1,100,777,478,970,327) | | Originally Posted by OzSpen elman,
I don't disagree with what you have said. However, the topic we are pursuing is: Is there any other way to heaven/eternal life than through Jesus Christ and His redemption?  Almost.
The topic actually is, do Moslems and Christians worship the same God.
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Reps: 1,100,777,478,970,303,104 (power: 1,100,777,478,970,327) | | Originally Posted by elman Jesus said it is not the one that calls me Lord but the one that obeys my command to love right? Christianity is not about using majic words, but about loving others, correct? It is not about saying you will love, but about actually showing compassion for others in need, is that not true?
You are indeed correct in this.
'By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, that ye love one another, as I have loved you.'
The measure is love.
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Only one way, truth, life---Jesus Christ.
They can read.
They, the fledging church, could NOT read that which does not exist.
The NT did not exist as these events unfolded in the 1st century.
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