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If God wanted to deceive us, we would never even suspect it.
Originally Posted by JustMeSee
Why God need embed age in objects Earth?
I don't know.
I think it is for anthropic reasons, meaning that the universe was made to accommodate us.
Life is fragile, and a universe that is "too strong" or "too weak" will destroy us.
The conditions on the other planets in our solar system are a good indication of what would happen to us if our planet was closer to the sun, further away, was larger, was smaller, and so on.
Originally Posted by JustMeSee
Why God not make object age brand new?
Because He put more emphasis on physical age than existential age, knowing that we were going to have to learn to exist outside of how we were created; that is, have to exist in a fallen or 'non-glorified' state.
He is, however, going to restore us (and His creation) to a brand-new glorified state in the future.
Problem #1: Completely undermines the concept of both terms "maturity" and "history"
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Unique features:
"Left no evidence behind"[/quote
Then how do you know about it?
And don't say "The Bible tells me so". What physical beings wrote the bible? Humans. We know that because:
If you claim God "inspired" the writers then will have to provide sufficient "proof" of that which would, then, be "evidence" of your claim thus undermining your own definition of Embedded Age.
Witnessed by the angels
What are angels?
Remember; if you want to play philosophy games then only God has "necessary existence" a la the Ontological Argument. So anything shy of that must be some lesser being. If you can provide proof of angels then we should be able to verify the Embedded Age hypothesis directly, which again would be "evidence" for the hypothesis thus undercutting your own claims.
SUMMARY
You actually do think there was "evidence" left for Embedded Age but you realize that it really isn't evidence that would convince someone who doesn't already believe in they myth in the first place so you put the claim "there is no evidence left behind" so as to throw off any subsequent discussion of the weak evidence you like.
Where in Bible said God embed age in objects, God did?
The first part of 2 Peter 3:5.
Originally Posted by 2 Peter 3:5a
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old...
Originally Posted by Psalm 39:5
Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
If God wanted to deceive us, we would never even suspect it.I don't know.
I think it is for anthropic reasons, meaning that the universe was made to accommodate us.
Life is fragile, and a universe that is "too strong" or "too weak" will destroy us.
The conditions on the other planets in our solar system are a good indication of what would happen to us if our planet was closer to the sun, further away, was larger, was smaller, and so on.Because He put more emphasis on physical age than existential age, knowing that we were going to have to learn to exist outside of how we were created; that is, have to exist in a fallen or 'non-glorified' state.
He is, however, going to restore us (and His creation) to a brand-new glorified state in the future.
But that contradicts your own premises.
I quote: "laws of science not in effect"
__________________ Hier sitz´ich, forme Menschen
Nach meinem Bilde,
Ein Geschlecht, das mir gleich sei,
Zu leiden, zu weinen,
Zu genießen und zu freuen sich
Und dein nicht zu achten,
Wie ich!
The laws of science came into effect after the Creation.
For instance, the First Law of Thermodynamics was instituted in Genesis 2:1-3.
This is why, at the end of this current dispensation, God is going to rearrange --- (not annihilate and re-create) --- the atoms into a New Heavens and a New Earth.
God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31, and He is not going to let sin cause its annihilation.
The laws of science came into effect after the Creation.
For instance, the First Law of Thermodynamics was instituted in Genesis 2:1-3.
This is why, at the end of this current dispensation, God is going to rearrange --- (not annihilate and re-create) --- the atoms into a New Heavens and a New Earth.
God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31, and He is not going to let sin cause its annihilation.
I fear you didn´t understand my objection. The post I quoted was your explanation of why such an "embedded age" was necessary. You said "the universe was made to accomodate us" and "The conditions on the other planets in our solar system are a good indication of what would happen to us if our planet was closer to the sun, further away, was larger, was smaller..."
But that assumes the existence of "the laws of science", for these are the "rules" that tell us what would / does happen if our planet was closer, further, larger or smaller.
Without these laws, there is no need for God to "accomodate" us. This is the ultimate problem of the "finetuning" argument: it does not take into account that everything that an omnipotent being does would fit together. And the "omnipotence" is another of your premises.
We always hear that God created Adam and Eve "mature", because of all the problems with growing up and surviving as babies without parents... but that is nonsense. The omnipotent God could create Adam and Eve in every state he wanted without them having any problems.
I have found out long time ago that this is the basic problem of all creationis models: they try to explain what is NOW, assuming that it was the same as NOW, while all the time claiming that it was totally different.
__________________ Hier sitz´ich, forme Menschen
Nach meinem Bilde,
Ein Geschlecht, das mir gleich sei,
Zu leiden, zu weinen,
Zu genießen und zu freuen sich
Und dein nicht zu achten,
Wie ich!
I'll take questions on Embedded Age Creation:
[list=1][*]Definition = maturity without history
I maintain this differential you asert between "Maturity without history" and "Maturity with history" is completetly made up. The only differnce seems to be your contention (backed up by nothing in scripture) that Adam did not have a navel, since it is a scar. Yet, you apply Embedded Age equally to the Earth. The Earth, however, has many scars, apparently from a history you claim did not exist and was not embedded by God. You have yet to explain the impact craters, ancient coral reefs, shale and chalk deposts, fossils inside of coal seems, etc. that show the long history (scars if you will) of The Earth.
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster."
- Carl Sagan (Demon Haunted World)
The post I quoted was your explanation of why such an "embedded age" was necessary.
Why-questions are the hardest to answer.
The Bible can give you what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, why He did it, and even who the eyewitnesses were; but as far as why He did what He did, why He did it where He did, why He did it the way He did, why He did it in the order He did it in, why he used the reasoning behind doing it, and why He allowed eyewitnesses --- those are questions that, in my opinion, will not be answered in this dispensation.
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