Many Christians claim that homosexuality is immoral because sections of the Bible say it is, but this brings up a larger question. What gets deemed "immoral"? After all the Bible also says that shellfish is immoral but Christians don't impose bans on that. Also why is it that God's morals seem to line up with the morals of the people that wrote the Bible?
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If the morals of the Bible lined up so well with the morals of the people who wrote it, why did they have such a hard time following it? If you read through Kings, Chronicles, Exodus, all sorts of books in the Old Testament really, you will see over and over that they fail to keep those morals and are constantly punished for it. You'd think if it was just the morals they wanted to impose, it would be things that they were able to follow, right?
I will let someone wiser then me answer about things like shellfish. I have my theories on it but I'd rather someone with more of a Biblical background explain it to you.
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If the morals of the Bible lined up so well with the morals of the people who wrote it, why did they have such a hard time following it? If you read through Kings, Chronicles, Exodus, all sorts of books in the Old Testament really, you will see over and over that they fail to keep those morals and are constantly punished for it. You'd think if it was just the morals they wanted to impose, it would be things that they were able to follow, right?
Even that's inconsistent, God's chosen murdered women and children when commanded but be alittle impatient when God doesn't deliver on a promise then they get punished. In anycase I was refering more to the NT then the OT on that point.
I will let someone wiser then me answer about things like shellfish. I have my theories on it but I'd rather someone with more of a Biblical background explain it to you.
Does that mean it falls under an unanswered question for you personally?
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As a Messianic Judaism member, we believe a Yeshua style of obedience to the commandments, which include not eating the shellfish. Does that help?
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Well actually, shellfish may have been immoral in the Old Testament, but with Jesus paying the price for our sins, it enabled us to pray directly to God. By asking God to bless the food, it becomes holy and therefore fit to eat. And I agree with kevlite, the people who wrote the Bible had a hard time following the morals just as we do today.
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In any case I was refering more to the NT then the OT on that point.
The majority of the books of the "New Testament" were written to the local churches to correct the behavior of those who wanted to love and serve God, but their natural behavior was contrary to their ultimate professed Goal.
After all the Bible also says that shellfish is immoral but Christians don't impose bans on that.
This is referred to as self righteousness.. The self righteous among us will have Hell to pay.
Also why is it that God's morals seem to line up with the morals of the people that wrote the Bible?
Because God hand pick those who were to contribute to scripture. Why else would He include a writing or writer that did not jive with what He wanted to convey?
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Many Christians claim that homosexuality is immoral because sections of the Bible say it is, but this brings up a larger question. What gets deemed "immoral"? After all the Bible also says that shellfish is immoral but Christians don't impose bans on that.
Of course one's discussion needs to be a bit more subtle than "because the bible says so" and deal with the fact that all Scripture is contextual.
Also why is it that God's morals seem to line up with the morals of the people that wrote the Bible?
What were you hoping for - a text that says "This is what God says but I (Paul) disagree with Him"? But I would suggest that the bible - especially the New Testament - is enormously challenging to its immediate audience, including the author so far as it is possible to tell.
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Also why is it that God's morals seem to line up with the morals of the people that wrote the Bible?
Because the people who wrote the Bible were much more intelligent than most of us are and knew better than to rely on their own wisdom and understanding. (Proverbs 3:5)
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No-one is righteous before God, the Law was given so that we would become concious of this, so that sin might be made utterly sinful, so we would recognise that we needed a Saviour, who is Jesus Christ.
As a Messianic Judaism member, we believe a Yeshua style of obedience to the commandments, which include not eating the shellfish. Does that help?
Yes and no, do you also stone your children to death if they decide to leave your faith? If not then you are cherry picking.
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