This guy although he is worshipped in theological circles, is a pretty Apostate Christian, he has already told us he believes in Soul Sleep and is known to question Atonement.
If you do not believe in Genesis three, how can yoou believe in Atonement?.
Karl Marx and Frederick Engels were 2 of Darwin's earliest supporters. If you aren't sure about where this led, the implications of racial cleansing and survival of the fittest, based on theories of evolution which resulted from this type of thinking by personalities as well known as even George Bernard Shaw, the youtube video below is highly recommended. It is narrated by a muslim, rather objectively, and he does quote the Koran in places, but it's still an effective teaching tool for anyone of any religion. The conclusions he reaches apply to everyone, not just muslims.
Mixing the theory of evolution and it's resulting ideas with Christianity is a very dangerous way to go in my op. The idea that humans are descended from animals, or are animals, is a very backward step for humanity. Not to mention that this is not what the bible teaches us. Of all of God's creation, we are the only ones created in His image.
you do have to register a youtube account and sign in to watch this video, as they go through documented atrocities, it gets rather ugly in places. Here is part 1 and you can follow the rest over there.
Then most Christians are wrong.
Anything beyond micro evolution is a work of the adversary attempting to make the word of God to no avail.
Reality disagrees with your assessment of the situation. But anyway, care to explain how a non-literal reading of the creation account destroys the foundations of Christianity? Something that does not involve references to the supposed necessity of Adam's direct descent to Jesus would be good, as would something that doesn't involve claims about the Fall giving roses thorns and so forth.
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That doesn't answer what it means to "believe in" Genesis chapter 3. Does "belief in" require a literal reading? Does it allow for a non-literal reading? Something else entirely?
Originally Posted by speakout
How do we measure what a Christian is and then how do we measure what they believe?
Belief in Jesus' death for the salvations of mankind, Nicene Creed, etc.
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Karl Marx and Frederick Engels were 2 of Darwin's earliest supporters.
Whether this is even true or not (I tend to lean towards not true, or a very distorted version of what is actually true), why does this even matter? Creationist organizations seem to think that by somehow tenuously linking Darwin to evil person X Y or Z, it will destroy the validity of the theory. Besides the fact that the current explanation of evolution is very different than Darwin's original conception, they're all dead anyway. Science is concerned with naturalistic explanations for observations in our universe, not what a philosopher thinks about the best way to govern a society.
If you aren't sure about where this led, the implications of racial cleansing and survival of the fittest, based on theories of evolution which resulted from this type of thinking by personalities as well known as even George Bernard Shaw, the youtube video below is highly recommended. It is narrated by a muslim, rather objectively, and he does quote the Koran in places, but it's still an effective teaching tool for anyone of any religion. The conclusions he reaches apply to everyone, not just muslims.
Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with religion, philosophy, or pretty much anything else that creationists try to link it to. It is nothing more than conclusions drawn from the available current/historic evidence that explain the diversity of life on the planet and how it came to be.
Mixing the theory of evolution and it's resulting ideas with Christianity is a very dangerous way to go in my op. The idea that humans are descended from animals, or are animals, is a very backward step for humanity. Not to mention that this is not what the bible teaches us. Of all of God's creation, we are the only ones created in His image.
Racism, eugenics, and all the other assorted theories that go with it would have been justified in another way even if the theory of evolution was never discovered. It's the same thing with supposedly religious wars, slavery, and every other evil. They would still happen. People would just find another way to justify it.
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Whether this is even true or not (I tend to lean towards not true, or a very distorted version of what is actually true), why does this even matter?
It matters because Marx, Engels, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, all quoted Charles Darwin to support their agendas of racial cleansing and restructuring of society, resulting in the horrific deaths of millions upon millions of innocent people. If you are not aware of how deeply they intertwined their politics with theories of evolution then you have a lot of studying to do, a good few years worth.
This is all documented in their own writings, and in films of their speeches.
Originally Posted by Dark_Lite
... they're all dead anyway.
that's putting it lightly.
Originally Posted by Dark_Lite
Science is concerned with naturalistic explanations for observations in our universe, not what a philosopher thinks about the best way to govern a society.
Yes i do see, perhaps you need to research who were and are the main proponents of those ideas still. Mainstream Christianity has always opposed slavery, based on the new covenant, through Jesus. Which is not to say that some called themselves Christians or had a Christian parent and walked another way.
Originally Posted by Dark_Lite
Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with religion, philosophy, or pretty much anything else that creationists try to link it to.
If that were true then evolution would not be used as a tool to attempt to destroy the belief in God or creation.
Originally Posted by Dark_Lite
Racism, eugenics, and all the other assorted theories that go with it would have been justified in another way even if the theory of evolution was never discovered. It's the same thing with supposedly religious wars, slavery, and every other evil. They would still happen. People would just find another way to justify it.
Eugenics is directly descended from Darwins theory of evolution. In fact, most of his children and grandchildren became the first leading eugenicists, establishing the eugenicist organizations that still exist today.
I suggest you watch the video and then see how many of your arguments will remain standing after being faced with the facts, not opinions but facts, presented.
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