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20th November 2009, 11:18 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by Eudaimonist  Acting "as if" something you don't believe is true actually is true is a violation of integrity. You may, of course, placate evil people with the intent to call the police, to start a rebellion, or whatever. In this case, your plans are either to defeat the evil or to wait for it to pass so that you may continue to live your life according to your best judgment. This is not a violation of your moral principles so much as an application of them in hostile situations.
Thought is related to action, and so integrity of thought is related to integrity of action. They are not two separate realms, as you clearly indicate below.
It is not a violation of integrity to act as if you are clean and sober when this is what you understand to be good, true, and desirable. An addiction is not a moral principle. To act according to virtue when you are lacking in that virtue is no vice.
This is fine if faith and belief is what you regard to be good, true, and desirable. If not, this is a violation of integrity.
If you are recommending that one seek that which one does not regard as good, true, and desirable, and to act as if a falsehood is true, then you are recommending hypocrisy.
Oh, I do.
A freed slave,
Mark
what do you mean by A freed slave,, Mark?
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Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
20th November 2009, 11:19 AM
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__________________ "Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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20th November 2009, 11:32 AM
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20th November 2009, 11:42 AM
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Reps: 1,303,088,663,598,559 (power: 1,303,088,663,602) | | Originally Posted by ephraimanesti "In his Wager, Pascal provides an analytical process for a person to evaluate options in regarding belief in God. This is often misinterpreted as simply believing in God or not. However, as Pascal sets it out, the options are two: live as if God exists, or do not live as if God exists. There is no third option."
But there is a third option; and a fourth, fifth, sixth...on to as many gods have ever been conceived by man. If I am to live as though "God" exists, then I first must establish which "God" I'm appeasing. You realize there are approximately 2,850 gods? I realize you believe there's only one, but isn't that a bit naive? To those who believe in the other gods, yours is a fairy tale and a lie. To them, believing in your god puts you on the path to punishment or annihilation.
So, let's say I'll take Pascal up on his wager and start living my life today as though "God" exists. And for "God," I choose Altjira, since I prefer a more "hands-off" approach to my deity. Is that cool?
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20th November 2009, 12:13 PM
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Reps: 440,945,404,461,670,976 (power: 440,945,404,461,699) | | Originally Posted by brinny what do you mean by A freed slave,, Mark?
Only that I don't feel the need to playact according to the dictates of some religion "just in case" that religion might be true. I may live authentically to the best of my ability. I need not be intimidated by any form of Pascal's Wager. eudaimonia,
Mark
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20th November 2009, 12:18 PM
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what do you mean by A freed slave,, Mark? Originally Posted by Eudaimonist Only that I don't feel the need to playact according to the dictates of some religion "just in case" that religion might be true. I may live authentically to the best of my ability. I need not be intimidated by any form of Pascal's Wager.
eudaimonia,
Mark
if you are a freed slave, what are you freed from?
__________________ "Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
20th November 2009, 12:22 PM
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Reps: 159,784,663,935,918,112 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by brinny if you are a freed slave, what are you freed from?
He just told you, didn't he?  |
20th November 2009, 12:27 PM
| | everlovin' shiner of light in dark places
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by brinny
if you are a freed slave, what are you freed from? Originally Posted by Wicked Willow He just told you, didn't he?
i didn't see it if he did...that's why i asked again.
__________________ "Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
20th November 2009, 12:28 PM
| | everlovin' shiner of light in dark places
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by Wicked Willow He just told you, didn't he?
i didn't see it if he did...that's why i asked again.
__________________ "Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran | | |
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