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Old 20th November 2009, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Eudaimonist View Post
Acting "as if" something you don't believe is true actually is true is a violation of integrity. You may, of course, placate evil people with the intent to call the police, to start a rebellion, or whatever. In this case, your plans are either to defeat the evil or to wait for it to pass so that you may continue to live your life according to your best judgment. This is not a violation of your moral principles so much as an application of them in hostile situations.

Thought is related to action, and so integrity of thought is related to integrity of action. They are not two separate realms, as you clearly indicate below.



It is not a violation of integrity to act as if you are clean and sober when this is what you understand to be good, true, and desirable. An addiction is not a moral principle. To act according to virtue when you are lacking in that virtue is no vice.



This is fine if faith and belief is what you regard to be good, true, and desirable. If not, this is a violation of integrity.



If you are recommending that one seek that which one does not regard as good, true, and desirable, and to act as if a falsehood is true, then you are recommending hypocrisy.



Oh, I do.


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what do you mean by A freed slave,, Mark?
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Old 20th November 2009, 11:19 AM
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(This is the year) of the favour of the Lord
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He will comfort all who mourn (This is the year)
He will provide for those who grieve (This is the day)
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Old 20th November 2009, 11:32 AM
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What does ephraimanesti mean by bond slave?
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Old 20th November 2009, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ephraimanesti View Post
"In his Wager, Pascal provides an analytical process for a person to evaluate options in regarding belief in God. This is often misinterpreted as simply believing in God or not. However, as Pascal sets it out, the options are two: live as if God exists, or do not live as if God exists. There is no third option."
But there is a third option; and a fourth, fifth, sixth...on to as many gods have ever been conceived by man. If I am to live as though "God" exists, then I first must establish which "God" I'm appeasing. You realize there are approximately 2,850 gods? I realize you believe there's only one, but isn't that a bit naive? To those who believe in the other gods, yours is a fairy tale and a lie. To them, believing in your god puts you on the path to punishment or annihilation.

So, let's say I'll take Pascal up on his wager and start living my life today as though "God" exists. And for "God," I choose Altjira, since I prefer a more "hands-off" approach to my deity. Is that cool?
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Argumentum ad martyrdom -- I perceive that they don't like me, therefore I am correct.
"God does not play dice with the universe: He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared to an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time." - Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett, Good Omens
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Old 20th November 2009, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
what do you mean by A freed slave,, Mark?
Only that I don't feel the need to playact according to the dictates of some religion "just in case" that religion might be true. I may live authentically to the best of my ability. I need not be intimidated by any form of Pascal's Wager.


eudaimonia,

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Old 20th November 2009, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by brinny
what do you mean by A freed slave,, Mark?

Originally Posted by Eudaimonist View Post
Only that I don't feel the need to playact according to the dictates of some religion "just in case" that religion might be true. I may live authentically to the best of my ability. I need not be intimidated by any form of Pascal's Wager.


eudaimonia,

Mark
if you are a freed slave, what are you freed from?
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Old 20th November 2009, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
if you are a freed slave, what are you freed from?
He just told you, didn't he?
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Originally Posted by brinny
if you are a freed slave, what are you freed from?
Originally Posted by Wicked Willow View Post
He just told you, didn't he?
i didn't see it if he did...that's why i asked again.
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The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon you
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He has sent you to the poor (This is the year)
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To bring freedom to the captives (This is the year)
And to release the ones in darkness

(This is the year) of the favour of the Lord
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(This is the year) of the favour of the Lord
(This is the day) of the vengeance of our God

The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon us
Because he has anointed us to preach good news
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He will comfort all who mourn (This is the year)
He will provide for those who grieve (This is the day)
He will pour out the oil of gladness (This is the year)
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Originally Posted by Wicked Willow View Post
He just told you, didn't he?
i didn't see it if he did...that's why i asked again.
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He has sent you to the poor (This is the year)
To bind up the broken hearted (This is the day)
To bring freedom to the captives (This is the year)
And to release the ones in darkness

(This is the year) of the favour of the Lord
(This is the day) of the vengeance of our God
(This is the year) of the favour of the Lord
(This is the day) of the vengeance of our God

The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is upon us
Because he has anointed us to preach good news
(Repeat)
He will comfort all who mourn (This is the year)
He will provide for those who grieve (This is the day)
He will pour out the oil of gladness (This is the year)
Instead of mourning you will praise.

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