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7th November 2009, 04:45 AM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by JGG  Why is it selfish? Remember, I'm part of Satan's religion, so I'll go ahead and play Devil's Advocate.
Not you, the Christians who wants someone they hate to suffer.
Why are they wrong? Did God not tell Abraham to kill his son? Why would he not continue to do so today?
Well, bad example first off. Abraham's son was a Jew and innocent so that's really unrelated...
As far as punishing the wicked, God has left that up to the States of the world. Though at points they persecute the Christians they are in power by God to uphold certain, obvious laws. (In the OT Isreal was a state so they had this power, Christianity is not part of the state/shouldn't be.)
Christians on the other hand are here to serve, for the advancement of His kingdom.
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7th November 2009, 08:00 AM
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7th November 2009, 08:12 AM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by Axioma What does Abraham's son being a Jew have to do with anything? Does Jewishness make it more okay or less okay to kill someone, or order others to have them killed?
If your going to jump into the middle of a conversation, have the decency to read everything.
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7th November 2009, 02:08 PM
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Reps: 30,019,519,324,862,608 (power: 30,019,519,324,872) | | | I'm going to have to agree with the "The Bible can be used to justify anything"-argument. That's not just exclusive to the Bible though. Any large written work can be used to justify anything. Especially when the languages of the writer and reader are so far removed, and when the work has been written by multiple authors from different backgrounds over a period of hundreds of years.
But anyway:
Deuteronomy 13:6-10:
6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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That said... I can imagine getting punched while advocating a pro-choice stance when visiting the newly born. It's not really the time and place for those kind of sentiments.  |
7th November 2009, 08:29 PM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by Mystman I'm going to have to agree with the "The Bible can be used to justify anything"-argument. That's not just exclusive to the Bible though. Any large written work can be used to justify anything. Especially when the languages of the writer and reader are so far removed, and when the work has been written by multiple authors from different backgrounds over a period of hundreds of years.
But anyway:
Deuteronomy 13:6-10:
6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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That said... I can imagine getting punched while advocating a pro-choice stance when visiting the newly born. It's not really the time and place for those kind of sentiments.
I agree, like that cult that goes to protest at soldiers funerals. They could probably be punched, lul.
Also, why did you put that Deuteronomy excerpt into your post?
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8th November 2009, 02:00 AM
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Reps: 66,723,153,951,639,616 (power: 66,723,153,951,650) | | Originally Posted by david_x Not you, the Christians who wants someone they hate to suffer.
Well, they make good points. Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler (apparently), and Darwin (apparently) were all atheists. Those people were evil (including Darwin apparently). Therefore atheists are evil. Atheism must be Satan's religion.
That's pretty simple to figure out. Well, bad example first off. Abraham's son was a Jew and innocent so that's really unrelated...
What does Abraham's son being a Jew have to do with anything? Does Jewishness make it more okay or less okay to kill someone, or order others to have them killed? I'm confused. Jewish or atheist is beside the point. God commanded Abraham to kill someone. God commanded these people to kill people. How can they be wrong to do so? As far as punishing the wicked, God has left that up to the States of the world. Though at points they persecute the Christians they are in power by God to uphold certain, obvious laws. (In the OT Isreal was a state so they had this power, Christianity is not part of the state/shouldn't be.)
So it's up to the governments of the world to kill atheists, not individual citizens? Christians on the other hand are here to serve, for the advancement of His kingdom.
So, isn't killing atheists a part of the advancement of that kingdom?
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8th November 2009, 02:04 AM
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Reps: 66,723,153,951,639,616 (power: 66,723,153,951,650) | | Originally Posted by Mystman That said... I can imagine getting punched while advocating a pro-choice stance when visiting the newly born. It's not really the time and place for those kind of sentiments.
To be fair, I wasn't even advocating a pro-choice stance. I was just trying to get into the hospital, and two people stopped me, and asked to join their protest. I said no. They asked if I thought abortion was murder. I said no. They asked if I believed in God. I said no. And deservedly, I was spun around and punched in the face.
Actually there was a bit where the guy accused me of going in to kill the twins I was going to see as part of a pagan sacrifice. Because fantasyland Paganism, and atheism are both Satanist religions, and therefore interchangable. Apparently.
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8th November 2009, 04:02 AM
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Reps: 64,500,400,981,488,344 (power: 64,500,400,981,493) | | Originally Posted by JGG To be fair, I wasn't even advocating a pro-choice stance. I was just trying to get into the hospital, and two people stopped me, and asked to join their protest. I said no. They asked if I thought abortion was murder. I said no. They asked if I believed in God. I said no. And deservedly, I was spun around and punched in the face.
Actually there was a bit where the guy accused me of going in to kill the twins I was going to see as part of a pagan sacrifice. Because fantasyland Paganism, and atheism are both Satanist religions, and therefore interchangable. Apparently.
That is depressingly ridiculous.
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8th November 2009, 04:09 AM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by JGG Well, they make good points. Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler (apparently), and Darwin (apparently) were all atheists. Those people were evil (including Darwin apparently). Therefore atheists are evil. Atheism must be Satan's religion. Yeah, good points
What does Abraham's son being a Jew have to do with anything? Does Jewishness make it more okay or less okay to kill someone, or order others to have them killed? I'm confused. Jewish or atheist is beside the point. God commanded Abraham to kill someone. God commanded these people to kill people. How can they be wrong to do so?
The discussion started about killing those outside of whatever faith, then you gave the example of someone inside the faith. Not only that it was from the OT as well.
So it's up to the governments of the world to kill atheists, not individual citizens?
Don't put words in my mouth. This was not about atheist this was about evil doers.
So, isn't killing atheists a part of the advancement of that kingdom?
Lul, it's hard to make a convert of a dead man.
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8th November 2009, 05:14 AM
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Reps: 30,019,519,324,862,608 (power: 30,019,519,324,872) | | Originally Posted by david_x Also, why did you put that Deuteronomy excerpt into your post?
Oh, that can be used to justfiy murdering atheists., something that the OP asked for. =)
(and again take note of my "any book can be used to justify anything"-stance, so I know that other verses can be used to show the exact opposite) | | |
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