That's mostly a misunderstanding of the example I think... You see when I say "giving money to the bank owner" i don't literally mean that you give the green directly to him, that's not how banks work. What I meant is that he ends up with the money so in a way you are giving you money to him.
Okay, but not because he said "I'm a bank owner, give me your money."
I don't think that many people that meet my "lofty criteria" (lul) will claim to be Christian outright. Christianity is not outspoken in nature, unless something is really wrong/right.
I'm sorry, what?! Christianity is not Outspoken? Where exactly are you from? I'm from rather secular Toronto, and I have prosletyzers harrass me on the street on just about a monthly basis. Nevermind examples like Pat Robertson and Friends, Jack Chick, Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard, Benny Hinn, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Alan Keyes, Pat Buchannon, Sarah Palin, Judge Roy Moore and his Ten Commandments movement, The Way of the Master, the Christian Party of America, anti-abortionists, anti-gays, anti-Harry Potter-ites, the Moral Majority Movement, the Battlecry Movement, the Promisekeepers, the Convention of Southern Baptists, the Catholic Church, NARTH and such, Tea Partyers, birthers, Young Earth Creationists, The Flat Earth Society, The Army of God, God's Warriors, Christian Reconstructionists, the Westboro Baptists, the KKK, and Fox News (just off the top of my head).
(There are times when it is called for, but Christians are nothing to be afraid of I assure you.)
I suspect our experiences differ a fair bit.
It is the wicked people among them that lead both Christians and non-Christians further from the truth.
Uh-huh.
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Everyone struggles with some sort of sin, even you. Some people struggle with greed, others struggle with gluttony, and you can bet that there are people out there who struggle with hatred, laziness, lying, cussing, taking God's name in vain, and just about everything else that God forbids. So why pick on GLBT people in particular, when struggling with sin is a problem that isn't specifically limited to them?
Like anyone that joins the Church, as long as they are repentant it is fine. However there are many that don't see it as a sin and simply want to continue with their sin, so they need to be excluded.
And is it a law that all Christian churches must agree upon the Nicene Creed? If not, then why are you using that particular creed as a yardstick to determine who should be excluded from Christianity?
Law? Laws do not apply to the Christian Church. This creed is a yardstick to see if they are a part of the Church, that is why it was created and exists.
Okay, but not because he said "I'm a bank owner, give me your money."
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I'm sorry, what?! Christianity is not Outspoken? Where exactly are you from? I'm from rather secular Toronto, and I have prosletyzers harrass me on the street on just about a monthly basis. Nevermind examples like Pat Robertson and Friends, Jack Chick, Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard, Benny Hinn, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Alan Keyes, Pat Buchannon, Sarah Palin, Judge Roy Moore and his Ten Commandments movement, The Way of the Master, the Christian Party of America, anti-abortionists, anti-gays, anti-Harry Potter-ites, the Moral Majority Movement, the Battlecry Movement, the Promisekeepers, the Convention of Southern Baptists, the Catholic Church, NARTH and such, Tea Partyers, birthers, Young Earth Creationists, The Flat Earth Society, The Army of God, God's Warriors, Christian Reconstructionists, the Westboro Baptists, the KKK, and Fox News (just off the top of my head).
For one thing those are conservatives for the most part. Have you ever even known someone personally or are you just being prejudice?
(Also anyone with intelligence is anti-Harry Potter, those books made an entire generation dumber. lul)
Like anyone that joins the Church, as long as they are repentant it is fine. However there are many that don't see it as a sin and simply want to continue with their sin, so they need to be excluded.
How would you tell whether or not people were truly repentant? Would you give them a lie detector test?
Also, what about the sins that you yourself aren't repentant of? Or do you really think that you're truly repentant of every single one of the hundreds of sins mentioned in the Bible?
Law? Laws do not apply to the Christian Church. This creed is a yardstick to see if they are a part of the Church, that is why it was created and exists.
Since when do 100% of Christians use that creed as a yardstick to determine who they should exclude from the Church?
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How would you tell whether or not people were truly repentant? Would you give them a lie detector test?
No, I just tend to believe people when they say they are sorry until there is evidence to the contrary.
Also, what about the sins that you yourself aren't repentant of? Or do you really think that you're truly repentant of every single one of the hundreds of sins mentioned in the Bible?
I am truly sorry for any sin that I have ever committed.
Since when do 100% of Christians use that creed as a yardstick to determine who they should exclude from the Church?
Christians hold all of the ideas in the creed as obvious and undeniable.
No, I just tend to believe people when they say they are sorry until there is evidence to the contrary.
How would you know if there was evidence to the contrary if you were just seeing them at church, though? Or would you spy on them in their day to day life to see if they were lying about being sorry?
I am truly sorry for any sin that I have ever committed.
Really? You don't enjoy doing anything that's sinful? You won't gorge on food when Thanksgiving comes? You won't lie around being lazy after Thanksgiving dinner is over? You won't be greedy in terms of what you want for Christmas?
Christians hold all of the ideas in the creed as obvious and undeniable.
Where's your proof that 100% of Christians do that?
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How would you know if there was evidence to the contrary if you were just seeing them at church, though? Or would you spy on them in their day to day life to see if they were lying about being sorry?
We are a Church, we don't just meet on Sunday. Also we have intense conversations like that kind of stuff.
Also, evidence presents itself eventually. Weather through the holy spirit or gossip the truth always comes out.
Really? You don't enjoy doing anything that's sinful? You won't gorge on food when Thanksgiving comes? You won't lie around being lazy after Thanksgiving dinner is over? You won't be greedy in terms of what you want for Christmas?
I am not saying that I will never fail. I'm saying then when I do I will regret it and repent and i'll admit that it was wrong.
Where's your proof that 100% of Christians do that?
We are a Church, we don't just meet on Sunday. Also we have intense conversations like that kind of stuff.
Also, evidence presents itself eventually. Weather through the holy spirit or gossip the truth always comes out.
Gossiping is a sin. Are you promoting that sin?
And people would most likely know better than to show evidence that they're not sorry for sinning. So yes, most people would get away with lying to you.
I am not saying that I will never fail. I'm saying then when I do I will regret it and repent and i'll admit that it was wrong.
Christians are supposed to try not to sin. So do you admit that you have trouble with keeping yourself from sinning, just like a homosexual does?
It's the definition...
According to which dictionary?
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And people would most likely know better than to show evidence that they're not sorry for sinning. So yes, most people would get away with lying to you.
Lul, change subject much?
I'm not promoting gossip...
People don't have to show, who can hide from the eye of God?
Christians are supposed to try not to sin. So do you admit that you have trouble with keeping yourself from sinning, just like a homosexual does?
People don't have to show, who can hide from the eye of God?
You're talking about how you can tell whether or not the people in church are actively sinning. Therefore, God has nothing to do with this, unless you're trying to say that you yourself are God.
And no, I wasn't changing the subject at all. You're the one who mentioned gossiping in the first place.
And if you realize that gossiping is sinful, then why did you bring it up?
Yes, like I said I'm homosexual.
Stop being a smart aleck and actually respond to the question I asked you.
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Since when is "..." a dictionary?
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