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12th November 2009, 02:45 PM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by JGG  Okay, but not because he said "I'm a bank owner, give me your money."
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I'm sorry, what?! Christianity is not Outspoken? Where exactly are you from? I'm from rather secular Toronto, and I have prosletyzers harrass me on the street on just about a monthly basis. Nevermind examples like Pat Robertson and Friends, Jack Chick, Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard, Benny Hinn, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Alan Keyes, Pat Buchannon, Sarah Palin, Judge Roy Moore and his Ten Commandments movement, The Way of the Master, the Christian Party of America, anti-abortionists, anti-gays, anti-Harry Potter-ites, the Moral Majority Movement, the Battlecry Movement, the Promisekeepers, the Convention of Southern Baptists, the Catholic Church, NARTH and such, Tea Partyers, birthers, Young Earth Creationists, The Flat Earth Society, The Army of God, God's Warriors, Christian Reconstructionists, the Westboro Baptists, the KKK, and Fox News (just off the top of my head).
For one thing those are conservatives for the most part. Have you ever even known someone personally or are you just being prejudice?
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12th November 2009, 03:23 PM
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Reps: 149,157,868,790,683 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by david_x Like anyone that joins the Church, as long as they are repentant it is fine. However there are many that don't see it as a sin and simply want to continue with their sin, so they need to be excluded.
How would you tell whether or not people were truly repentant? Would you give them a lie detector test?
Also, what about the sins that you yourself aren't repentant of? Or do you really think that you're truly repentant of every single one of the hundreds of sins mentioned in the Bible? Law? Laws do not apply to the Christian Church. This creed is a yardstick to see if they are a part of the Church, that is why it was created and exists.
Since when do 100% of Christians use that creed as a yardstick to determine who they should exclude from the Church? |
12th November 2009, 03:59 PM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by HannahBanana How would you tell whether or not people were truly repentant? Would you give them a lie detector test?
No, I just tend to believe people when they say they are sorry until there is evidence to the contrary.
Also, what about the sins that you yourself aren't repentant of? Or do you really think that you're truly repentant of every single one of the hundreds of sins mentioned in the Bible?
I am truly sorry for any sin that I have ever committed.
Since when do 100% of Christians use that creed as a yardstick to determine who they should exclude from the Church?
Christians hold all of the ideas in the creed as obvious and undeniable.
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12th November 2009, 04:14 PM
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Reps: 149,157,868,790,683 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by david_x No, I just tend to believe people when they say they are sorry until there is evidence to the contrary.
How would you know if there was evidence to the contrary if you were just seeing them at church, though? Or would you spy on them in their day to day life to see if they were lying about being sorry? I am truly sorry for any sin that I have ever committed.
Really? You don't enjoy doing anything that's sinful? You won't gorge on food when Thanksgiving comes? You won't lie around being lazy after Thanksgiving dinner is over? You won't be greedy in terms of what you want for Christmas? Christians hold all of the ideas in the creed as obvious and undeniable.
Where's your proof that 100% of Christians do that? |
12th November 2009, 04:19 PM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by HannahBanana How would you know if there was evidence to the contrary if you were just seeing them at church, though? Or would you spy on them in their day to day life to see if they were lying about being sorry?
We are a Church, we don't just meet on Sunday. Also we have intense conversations like that kind of stuff.
Also, evidence presents itself eventually. Weather through the holy spirit or gossip the truth always comes out.
Really? You don't enjoy doing anything that's sinful? You won't gorge on food when Thanksgiving comes? You won't lie around being lazy after Thanksgiving dinner is over? You won't be greedy in terms of what you want for Christmas?
I am not saying that I will never fail. I'm saying then when I do I will regret it and repent and i'll admit that it was wrong.
Where's your proof that 100% of Christians do that?
It's the definition...
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12th November 2009, 04:22 PM
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Reps: 149,157,868,790,683 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by david_x We are a Church, we don't just meet on Sunday. Also we have intense conversations like that kind of stuff.
Also, evidence presents itself eventually. Weather through the holy spirit or gossip the truth always comes out.
Gossiping is a sin. Are you promoting that sin?
And people would most likely know better than to show evidence that they're not sorry for sinning. So yes, most people would get away with lying to you. I am not saying that I will never fail. I'm saying then when I do I will regret it and repent and i'll admit that it was wrong.
Christians are supposed to try not to sin. So do you admit that you have trouble with keeping yourself from sinning, just like a homosexual does?
According to which dictionary? |
12th November 2009, 04:28 PM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by HannahBanana Gossiping is a sin. Are you promoting that sin?
And people would most likely know better than to show evidence that they're not sorry for sinning. So yes, most people would get away with lying to you.
Lul, change subject much?
I'm not promoting gossip...
People don't have to show, who can hide from the eye of God?
Christians are supposed to try not to sin. So do you admit that you have trouble with keeping yourself from sinning, just like a homosexual does?
Yes, like I said I'm homosexual.
According to which dictionary?
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12th November 2009, 04:33 PM
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Reps: 149,157,868,790,683 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by david_x Lul, change subject much?
I'm not promoting gossip...
People don't have to show, who can hide from the eye of God?
You're talking about how you can tell whether or not the people in church are actively sinning. Therefore, God has nothing to do with this, unless you're trying to say that you yourself are God.
And no, I wasn't changing the subject at all. You're the one who mentioned gossiping in the first place.
And if you realize that gossiping is sinful, then why did you bring it up? Yes, like I said I'm homosexual.
Stop being a smart aleck and actually respond to the question I asked you.
Since when is "..." a dictionary? |
12th November 2009, 04:49 PM
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Reps: 9,991,039,025,564,860 (power: 9,991,039,025,577) | | Originally Posted by HannahBanana You're talking about how you can tell whether or not the people in church are actively sinning. Therefore, God has nothing to do with this, unless you're trying to say that you yourself are God.
If everyone is in a relationship with God, then i'm pretty sure it has something to do with God. What i'm saying is that people can try to hide what they're doing, but it is physically, mentally, and spiritually impossible. (Physically your face twitches uncontrollably, etc. Mentally you are distracted or guilty, etc. Spiritually God knows and can tell other believers so they can confront you about it.)
And no, I wasn't changing the subject at all. You're the one who mentioned gossiping in the first place.
I mentioned it in passing, not as something to debate.
And if you realize that gossiping is sinful, then why did you bring it up?
Just because something is sinful doesn't make it wrong to talk about, we talk about premarital sex all the time.
Stop being a smart aleck and actually respond to the question I asked you.
I said yes, how is that not a response?
Since when is "..." a dictionary?[/quote]
I gave up because your question showed an obvious lack of any understanding to what I was saying.
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12th November 2009, 04:56 PM
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Reps: 149,157,868,790,683 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by david_x If everyone is in a relationship with God, then i'm pretty sure it has something to do with God. What i'm saying is that people can try to hide what they're doing, but it is physically, mentally, and spiritually impossible. (Physically your face twitches uncontrollably, etc. Mentally you are distracted or guilty, etc. Spiritually God knows and can tell other believers so they can confront you about it.)
Some people are really good at hiding their guilt, and some people don't feel guilty at all for sinning. So how would you know whether or not those types of people were lying to you about feeling sorry for sinning? I mentioned it in passing, not as something to debate.
Fine. I'll drop it then. I said yes, how is that not a response?
So you were honestly admitting that you yourself are a homosexual? I gave up because your question showed an obvious lack of any understanding to what I was saying.
I understood what you were saying completely. You were trying to say that the Nicene Creed is understood by the Church to be the determining factor in whether or not someone is actually a Christian. I then asked you for proof that that was true, and you replied with "it's the definition." When I asked you what dictionary that definition was from, you replied with "..." So tell me, what exactly am I not understanding? | | |
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