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6th November 2009, 11:24 PM
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Reps: 58,696,032,699,763,016 (power: 58,696,032,699,774) | | Originally Posted by BigBadWlf  Your problem is called homophobia
Disaproval constitutes a phobia, now?
Do you approve or disapprove of pedophilia and necrophilia? If not, does this mean you have a problem/mental disorder? “I have plenty of Jewish friends, and I'm opposed to the mistreatment of Jewish people, however, I still view being Jewish as wrong.
Indeed. Which is why I'm not Jewish. Just like I know plenty of catholic people, and I'm fine with the people, but I disagree with the catholic religion and do not approve of many of it's doctrines and practices.
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Reps: 1,971,034,352,550,617 (power: 1,971,034,352,562) | | Originally Posted by The Gregorian Disaproval constitutes a phobia, now? Just like “disapproval” of racial equality involves racism I have previously suggested that you look up the definition of homophobia. I guess you couldn’t be bothered. It is not just an irrational fear of homosexuals it is also includes contempt, antipathy and discrimination towards homosexuals. It describes not just behavior but also motivation
Do you approve or disapprove of pedophilia and necrophilia? If not, does this mean you have a problem/mental disorder? See my previous post about trying to link such things to minorities as a justification of prejudice Indeed. Which is why I'm not Jewish. Just like I know plenty of catholic people, and I'm fine with the people, but I disagree with the catholic religion and do not approve of many of it's doctrines and practices. Back to my original question….what does necrophilia have to do with being Jewish? We can add what does transvestitism have to do with being Catholic? The answer(s) once again is absolutely nothing… just like child sexual abuse has nothing to do with homosexuality.
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6th November 2009, 11:57 PM
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Reps: 1,971,034,352,550,617 (power: 1,971,034,352,562) | | Originally Posted by The Gregorian
The thing is homosexuality is given liberties beyond what heterosexuals have.
Again... what “liberties” are those nasty nasty homos getting that you personally are deined?
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7th November 2009, 01:25 AM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,065) | | Originally Posted by DarkProphet Because modern society DOESN'T view homosexuality as immoral, only YOU do and that is a problem with YOU. Pedophilia is a whole separate issue where people DO think it is immoral, and they have reason to think so other then a book told them it was.
Well if you are talking about how some people will look cross at you if you dare disagree about that, I agree. But if you think that an attraction is actually inherently immoral, please do tell why.
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7th November 2009, 01:28 AM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,065) | | Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child I never said it was only dependant on age. Giving informed consent is not the prerogative of all adults, as you pointed out. However, I'm doubtful that any minor could give informed consent.
I can likely find you many minors (aka, 16/17 year olds) who could consent. I suppose age isn't an issue in and of itself, but I think it's splitting hairs more than anything else.
Which brings up the whole semantics issue of it. Is someone who rapes a child necessarily a paedophile?
According to the media? Yes. According to the researchers/psychologist? No. Now maybe it has something to do with me wanting to be a researcher/psychologist, but I think I favor their opinion over the other. Ah, I see. Yeah, I'll be more careful in the future  .
I was more so confused. In one line, it was as if you were saying the attraction was immoral, then you went and said that it wasn't really. Just sort of confused me what you were trying to say.
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7th November 2009, 01:34 AM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,065) | | Originally Posted by The Gregorian That is actually a VERY good point. Makes the term "homophobia" (a fear of similarity) seem MUCH more interesting.
Although this is also a very interesting chart... I can see it now:
Exhibit C: Your honor, the map I printed from wikipedia CLEARLY shows the age of consent is 16 therefore....
Case in point: Miley Cyrus. Rather young girls are taking rather skimpy photos of themselves now-a-days. What would be the punishment for being an idiot and taking a picture of yourself in that way? And what would be the punishment for seeing said picture?
... although this is leading the thread in a direction I wasn't planning on. I'm not trying to "justify pedophelia" ... it was supposed to be a universally accepted "bad thing" to compare homophelia to.
Here is my reasoning. Take two pedophiles. The first one is treated like a human. They are allowed to live a standard life, they have a semi-stable job (as best as can currently be hoped for), a circle of friends, maybe a (adult) girlfriend (remember, many pedophiles can be attracted to adults as well). The second one is demonized, threatened, called a monster, is fired from jobs when they find out about his attraction, is long deserted by any 'friends' he had, and is even been kicked out of some communities before. Now which do you think would be more likely to actually molest a child? Which one has more to lose by it? Which one feels betrayed by society enough they may no care any more?
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Life starts before conception. Supporting a woman's right to choose to not fertilize an egg, giving her the ability to choose to let a life die, is pro-choice, not pro-life.
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7th November 2009, 01:39 AM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,065) | | Originally Posted by The Gregorian Which brings us back to the original topic of the thread. If I do not approve of one form of sexual deviance -I- have a problem. However, I'm sure there are quite a few attractions that you would have a problem with?
If a person said they were a necrophiliac... would you have a problem with that? Corpses can't say "no," afterall! If you suggested that you did not approve of that, could I accuse you of being intolerant and say you "have a problem."
Or, consider how dogs tend to hump people's legs... If you met a person who specifically got dogs for that purpose, and got their jollies by such actions... would there be a problem with YOU for disaproving?
Just a word of advice, leave the animals out of these types of discussions. Mention of animals (in relation to sex) is a banned topic, and you may get a warning if you go too far. The intent here is... you have legal freedom to take whatever action you wish with another consenting adult... but I'm being discriminated against and repressed for exercising my moral freedom to be offended by such action. That's what I have a problem with.
Which is why they're a perfect correlation. Society as a whole often has a problem with homosexuality (especially between men), but today, people are told that "that opinion is unacceptable, if you have the nerve to disaprove of gays, then YOU have a problem, and YOU are sick."
To be honest, a lot of those who do have a problem with it are quite inconsistent on why they have a problem with it. The thing is homosexuality is given liberties beyond what heterosexuals have.
Honestly, if we got together and has a "straight pride parade" chanting our sexual preferences, and saying that gays just need to "get used to it" ... it would be considered hate speech, and we'd be arrested.
While I still think gay pride parades are over doing it (most gay people I know share nothing in common with what I have seen in such parades, and the parades themselves seem as much a set back as anything else, it really just seems to be a reaction to the freedom heterosexuals are given. Male/female holding hands? "Oh, look how cute they are together." Male/male holding hands? "Eww, why can't those disgusting homosexuals keep their relationship out of my face?" Never did I say that homosexuality should be legally punishable, nor did I approve of discrimination. But why do I not even have the right to hold a personal opinion of disapproval?
You have that right, and people have he right to think you are evil for it. It doesn't make you any more right or wrong than they are in the scheme of things.
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7th November 2009, 01:44 AM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,065) | | Originally Posted by BigBadWlf
Want does necrophilia have to do with being Jewish? Absolutely nothing, just as child sexual abuse has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality
He mentioned pedophilia, not child molestation. As far as I can see, homosexuality (and heterosexuality) is closer to pedophilia than pedophilia is to child molestation.
Heterosexuality: Oranges (makes good juice)
Homosexuality: Lemons (makes good juice (I prefer lemon juice))
Pedophilia: Some nasty tasting fruit, but still a fruit (theoretically could be used to make juice)
Child molestations: Grenades (am I the only one seeing a really explosive episode of "Will it blend?"?)
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"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"
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Life starts before conception. Supporting a woman's right to choose to not fertilize an egg, giving her the ability to choose to let a life die, is pro-choice, not pro-life.
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7th November 2009, 01:46 AM
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Reps: 27,354,533,772,047,632 (power: 27,354,533,772,065) | | Originally Posted by BigBadWlf See my previous post about trying to link such things to minorities as a justification of prejudice.
Are these not minorities as well, or because YOU disprove of them, it is ok to hate on them?
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Life starts before conception. Supporting a woman's right to choose to not fertilize an egg, giving her the ability to choose to let a life die, is pro-choice, not pro-life.
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Reps: 690,469,510,079,380,224 (power: 690,469,510,079,384) | | Originally Posted by lawtonfogle He mentioned pedophilia, not child molestation. As far as I can see, homosexuality (and heterosexuality) is closer to pedophilia than pedophilia is to child molestation.
Heterosexuality: Oranges (makes good juice)
Homosexuality: Lemons (makes good juice (I prefer lemon juice))
Pedophilia: Some nasty tasting fruit, but still a fruit (theoretically could be used to make juice)
Child molestations: Grenades (am I the only one seeing a really explosive episode of "Will it blend?"?)
Definitely an interesting way of putting it. I like it.
Also...I so want to see that episode of "Will it Blend?"
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