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Old 5th November 2009, 11:20 PM
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Like lavender said, it's unlikely that Muslims would be discharged from the military because of discrimination. I'm just wondering though how many Muslims in the US
are even enlisting currently, due to the fact it would be likely they would be sent to the middle east. I can't see them doing that. I don't believe they would go into combat against their fellow brothers.
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Old 5th November 2009, 11:24 PM
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About 75% of all Muslims believe the white race must be destroyed.


Where did you get that number?
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Old 5th November 2009, 11:27 PM
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Like lavender said, it's unlikely that Muslims would be discharged from the military because of discrimination. I'm just wondering though how many Muslims in the US
are even enlisting currently, due to the fact it would be likely they would be sent to the middle east. I can't see them doing that. I don't believe they would go into combat against their fellow brothers.
They are & they are dying for our country.
Please don't disrespect those that gave their life for this country.


BBC NEWS | Americas | Serving America's 'Muslim army'
The American Muslim (TAM)
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.c...s/jmahearn.htm
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Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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[quote=pgp_protector;53425231]They are & they are dying for our country.
Please don't disrespect those that gave their life for this country.


I didn't.
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They are & they are dying for our country.
Please don't disrespect those that gave their life for this country.

I didn't.
This is what you stated about people Dying for our country.
" I can't see them doing that. I don't believe they would go into combat against their fellow brothers."

That is Disrespect.
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And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."


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Where did you get that number?
I think that number came from the Pat Robertson show.
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They are & they are dying for our country.
Please don't disrespect those that gave their life for this country.


BBC NEWS | Americas | Serving America's 'Muslim army'
The American Muslim (TAM)
The Ahern Family - Maj. James Michael Ahearn
No one is saying that there are no Muslims loyal to the United States. The question is, what of those that are not loyal? As a record we are constantly betrayed by Muslims in our country. The number is in the hundreds presently since 2002 of those murdered, it could go into the thousands anytime soon.
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I find that number very hard to believe. What about white Muslims (Albanians for example) ? The view that "white people" are evil might exist among a few Nation of Islam folks but It's certainly not a view I've seen that often among mainstream Muslims. If Pat Robertson is saying that I think he is being very negligent with his sources.
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Its a very complicated issue.
Most American muslims ,as i can tell, are perfectly integrated in the society, only moderately( at best) religious, dont buy into radical Islamism ideas, hate Sharia law , despise Intifada, agianst Jihad, and , hypothetically speaking, if found themselves with gun in their hands fighting agianst Islamic country invading US soil, would protect their homeland and ideals of freedom with the most sincere courage.

However you never know who is what deep inside.. Was that doctor just a nut, or had his shootings religious or anti-american flavor to it?.. I havent watched news today yet..
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I think you should be patient and wait until he wakes up. The you will know why he committed this crime.

There are a few options

1. He has become psychotic through listening to the horror stories of war from other soldiers.
2. He is aggrieved by the way the US has dealt with Muslims in the war zone.
3. He is an extremeist and set out to kill as many people as possible.
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