so...... i think everyone here knows that i'm still an inquirer, mostly because my parents have some issues with my converting.
anyway, my dad is coming up this weekend to visit, and i thought it would be nice if he and i could go to vespers together, and maybe talk to my priest afterwards.
vespers was cancelled this week, so that probably won't happen. and my dad says that the priest probably won't be in any mood to talk after a sunday liturgy. that's understandable, but i could still at least introduce him and maybe they can exchange phone numbers or something to talk about me later.
my dad said something about not being able to take communion. i mentioned how it would only be one sunday, but i restrained myself from saying how it's every sunday for me.
i feel like my parents are trying everything in their power to not let me convert. my dad told me to consider what he said, but i felt like saying, i already have! i've made my decision!
i just hope that my dad will at least attend liturgy with me. maybe he'll come around. but we need to take small steps first.
so, will y'all pray for me and my dad please?
How is it that you are 21, living on your own, and yet your parents still control your life?
Of course you are to honor your father and mother. Honor them by doing what you know is right. Show them that they raised you to be a responsible adult who is capable of making a decision like this on your own.
Always speak the truth to them, in love. When they think that you are rejecting the faith they raised you with, tell them that you are absolutely grateful for the faith of your childhood, and you still embrace the truths contained therein, and that you will forever be grateful to them for that. They may chose to be offended or to believe lies even when they are told the truth (much like Jacksladder), but that is on them, not on you. You are responsible for you, and how you act. They have to come to terms that they succeeded in raising an adult who is not a clone of them or a servant to their whims. Personally, from what I have seen (as little as that may be), I think that did a great job.
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"No matter how "right" you may be on various points, you must be diplomatic also. The first and important thing is not "rightness" at all, but Christian love and harmony. Most "crazy converts" have been "right" in the criticisms that led to their downfall; but they were lacking in Christian love and charity and so went off the deep end, needlessly alienating people around them and finally finding themselves all alone in their rightness and self-righteousness. Don't you follow them!..."
-Father Seraphim (Rose)
"Personal opinions have no role in ministry of any kind. When we represent the Church, then we ought only say and do what the Church has asked us to do. All else is wasted energy and an opportunity for sin. It is when we lapse into personal opinions, even when we dress them in the language of the Church, that conflict will arise."
- His Grace, Bp. JOSPEH
It is not different than what Evangelicals say about Catholics. It is a judgement and I can see through the fog some people put up.
I think you misunderstand what I said then. It's no "fog", the church just doesn't presume to know God's decisions. I think actually, the Catholic church and most Protestants hold the same position of refusing to judge people on the basis that they're not formal members of the church alone. Only some, and they being some Protestants, would say that if you're not formally in their particular church and "on the rolls" you are going to hell.
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Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama; ek veit einn, at aldri deyr: dómr of dauðan hvern.
Cattle die, kinsmen die the self must also die;I know one thing which never dies: the reputation of each dead man.
How is it that you are 21, living on your own, and yet your parents still control your life?
i'm actually not living on my own yet. plus, my priest told me i should settle things with my parents first.
Originally Posted by Protoevangel
Of course you are to honor your father and mother. Honor them by doing what you know is right. Show them that they raised you to be a responsible adult who is capable of making a decision like this on your own.
Always speak the truth to them, in love. When they think that you are rejecting the faith they raised you with, tell them that you are absolutely grateful for the faith of your childhood, and you still embrace the truths contained therein, and that you will forever be grateful to them for that. They may chose to be offended or to believe lies even when they are told the truth (much like Jacksladder), but that is on them, not on you. You are responsible for you, and how you act. They have to come to terms that they succeeded in raising an adult who is not a clone of them or a servant to their whims. Personally, from what I have seen (as little as that may be), I think that did a great job.
someone else told me this same thing i think i am getting better at it. but we will see after this weekend.
Sounds like the same song and dance I heard from ex-catholics about how some catholics possibly might make it to heaven. So are you one of the people that consider all outside your group as pagans?
Not sure what this is about, but, I'm not a part of any group so no.
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Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr et sama; ek veit einn, at aldri deyr: dómr of dauðan hvern.
Cattle die, kinsmen die the self must also die;I know one thing which never dies: the reputation of each dead man.
It is not different than what Evangelicals say about Catholics. It is a judgement and I can see through the fog some people put up.
I don't know what you see Jack. The Orthodox Church does not make judgment on anyone's soul.
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__________________ "Acquire a peaceful spirit and 1000s around you will be saved"--St. Seraphim
”For as it is not yet six thousand years since the first man, who is called Adam, are not those to be ridiculed rather than refuted who try to persuade us of anything regarding a space of time so different from, and contrary to, the ascertained truth?” St. Augustine
I don't know what you see Jack. The Orthodox Church does not make judgment on anyone's soul.
Church=saved
Either Church = Spiritual = No one know who will be saved
or Church = Physical = Only some members of physical church will possibly be saved.
Thats how I see it.
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Mark 11:24-26 (New International Version)
24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."
Either Church = Spiritual = No one know who will be saved
or Church = Physical = Only some members of physical church will possibly be saved.
Thats how I see it.
I think you should speak with a priest about this issue for further clarification.
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It is truly meet and right to bless thee O Theotokos, the mother of our God! More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim! Without defilement you gavest birth to God the word! True Theotokos, we magnify thee!
I think you should speak with a priest about this issue for further clarification.
The only local priest is a UAOC(Ukrainian)schismatic other than that there is three weeks till the next liturgy comes to town at the local mission. The priest there expects me to drive a hour to his church! I have enough trouble keeping myself going to the church 2 min down the road.
But I will pray that some Orthodox "could potentially go to heaven too, it is up to God"(from Aesjn's Orthodox post)
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Mark 11:24-26 (New International Version)
24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."
i think i am getting better at it. but we will see after this weekend. 
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