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Old 6th November 2009, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff View Post
I agree that many arguments are not going to last. Indeed they haven't. But as for the original authors blasting everyone here, I severly doubt that. I used to lurk at TWeb and saw Sarfati get his rear handed to him on a regular basis. It was quite something to watch.



O RLY?

Want to discuss applied evolutionary biology as it relates to genomics and its application to modern medical research?
If you can tell me how would that say anything against creation, sure, I would try. Genetics is my weakest part. But I am learning.
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There are solid scientific argument behind it. I have started one.
Please share your scientific arguments with us, if your right you will become very famous indeed.
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
If you can tell me how would that say anything against creation, sure, I would try. Genetics is my weakest part. But I am learning.
Here's a primer on comparative genomics for you then: PLoS Biology: Comparative Genomics. Have fun.
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Oh yeah, now I remember why I left here in the first place. There is no debating going on anymore. Creationists lost a long long time ago and don't realize it. They are followers of zombie science. I would say that we should aim for its head but it doesn't appear to have one.
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Originally Posted by TheOutsider View Post
Oh yeah, now I remember why I left here in the first place. There is no debating going on anymore. Creationists lost a long long time ago and don't realize it. They are followers of zombie science. I would say that we should aim for its head but it doesn't appear to have one.
Hey Buddy, how have you been? Nice to see a post from you. You know the old saying, the more thing change, the more they stay the same!

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Funny thing for atheists confronted by Christians.

1. Get an egg.

2. Ask them, "if you pray to God, will he stop the egg from breaking?"

3. Cite
“Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son” (John 14:13) and "I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." Matthew 17:20

4. Remind them that God turned Moses' staff into a serpent, sent 10 plagues upon Egypt, parted the Red Sea, wrote on a wall, and even brought a dead army back to life. He should have no problem stopping an egg. Either you don't have enough faith or God doesn't exist.

5. Drop the egg.

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Originally Posted by BananaSlug View Post
5. Drop the egg.
Before you come to the wrong conclusion should the egg shatter and make a mess (assuming it isn't hard boiled), you may want to see how Jesus responded to a similar challenge:
Originally Posted by Matthew 4:5-7
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Before you come to the wrong conclusion should the egg shatter and make a mess (assuming it isn't hard boiled), you may want to see how Jesus responded to a similar challenge:
“Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son” (John 14:13)

What could be more glorifying to God other than converting a staunch atheist? Should we not test God because he can't do it? Are you saying John 14:13 isn't true?
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Originally Posted by BananaSlug View Post
What could be more glorifying to God other than converting a staunch atheist?
Don't think you're any more dear to God than Agrippa:
Originally Posted by Acts 26:28
Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
Whether you're one pixel away from getting saved, or whether you're the world's 'staunchest atheist', God is not a respecter of persons.

Note that in Hell, the rich man referred to Abraham as "Father Abraham".

He was probably more religious than I will ever be.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Don't think you're any more dear to God than Agrippa:Whether you're one pixel away from getting saved, or whether you're the world's 'staunchest atheist', God is not a respecter of persons.

Note that in Hell, the rich man referred to Abraham as "Father Abraham".

He was probably more religious than I will ever be.
Ah, so God really doesn't care about us. It is nice to know that an omnipotent God is too lazy to prevent an egg from breaking. My challenge still stands. If the egg breaks, either your faith isn't strong enough or God doesn't exist...

21 And Elijah came to all the people, and said, “How long will you falter between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.” But the people answered him not a word. 22 Then Elijah said to the people, “I alone am left a prophet of the LORD; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men. 23 Therefore let them give us two bulls; and let them choose one bull for themselves, cut it in pieces, and lay it on the wood, but put no fire under it; and I will prepare the other bull, and lay it on the wood, but put no fire under it. 24 Then you call on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God who answers by fire, He is God.”
So all the people answered and said, “It is well spoken.”
25 Now Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose one bull for yourselves and prepare it first, for you are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under it.
26 So they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying, “O Baal, hear us!” But there was no voice; no one answered. Then they leaped about the altar which they had made.
27 And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, “Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened.” 28 So they cried aloud, and cut themselves, as was their custom, with knives and lances, until the blood gushed out on them. 29 And when midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice. But there was no voice; no one answered, no one paid attention.
30 Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come near to me.” So all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down. 31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, “Israel shall be your name.”[b] 32 Then with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD; and he made a trench around the altar large enough to hold two seahs of seed. 33 And he put the wood in order, cut the bull in pieces, and laid it on the wood, and said, “Fill four waterpots with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice and on the wood.” 34 Then he said, “Do it a second time,” and they did it a second time; and he said, “Do it a third time,” and they did it a third time. 35 So the water ran all around the altar; and he also filled the trench with water.
36 And it came to pass, at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near and said, “LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that You are God in Israel and I am Your servant, and that I have done all these things at Your word. 37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that You are the LORD God, and that You have turned their hearts back to You again.”
38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood and the stones and the dust, and it licked up the water that was in the trench. 39 Now when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, “The LORD, He is God! The LORD, He is God!” 1 Kings 18:21-39

^So God can do all of this for Elijah but he can't stop an egg? How is Elijah's test of God any different?
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"If God sent a wind from space, and blew waters off the surface, for example, the waters would go down. Just as if you take a cup full of water over a sink, and blow hard on it, a lot will go out of the cup. Elementary." -dad
^This statement nullifies his own argument by comparing a "present state" event to a "past state" event!

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