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Old 4th November 2009, 08:31 PM
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The Liberal Media?

Ok, this is something I dont really understand.

I hear people ranting and raving about "the liberal media" and if you talk to them, they tell you a couple things.

1. They feel that the media is overwhelmingly dominated/controlled by liberals or people with liberal points of view.

2. They almost always watch FOX news

3. They trust FOX news

What I don't understand is what exactly protects FOX news from this domination? The idea that every station EXCEPT FOX is controlled by some super secret liberal conspiracy seems a little like wishful thinking if you're going to blame them for everybody that doesn't agree with FOX.
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Old 4th November 2009, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Steezie View Post
Ok, this is something I dont really understand.
Neither do I...the ranters act as if tree-hugging hippies run the media when in reality just about every channel on cable or broadcast, as well as most radio stations, as well as a majority of newspaper, are owned and operated by large corporations.
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Originally Posted by TheNewWorldMan View Post
are owned and operated by large corporations.
Large corporation does not equal conservative.

Besides, how much influence over what goes on daily in the newsroom do you think most media owning corporations really exert?
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Originally Posted by chaz345 View Post
Large corporation does not equal conservative.
I'd like to see some examples of leftist corporations

Besides, how much influence over what goes on daily in the newsroom do you think most media owning corporations really exert?
The corporations OWN the newsroom, they have a lot of influence
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Originally Posted by TheNewWorldMan View Post
Neither do I...the ranters act as if tree-hugging hippies run the media when in reality just about every channel on cable or broadcast, as well as most radio stations, as well as a majority of newspaper, are owned and operated by large corporations.
Basically, in the USA your political system is so skewed to right as a default position that what would be a centrist policy in basically every other developed nation becomes akin to communism and your "liberal left" are fundamentally little different from our centre right.

In that situation it is hardly surprising that those on the US right view the media as Liberal - when basically all the other possibilities on the political spectrum are to your left, and when you have such an adversarial political system which requires attempts to make stark differentiation when really there is little to nothing, the whole political spectrum other than your tiny little corner becomes "liberal".

You have to laugh when someone tries to tell you that corporations would make little to no effort to control or influence the information that they disseminate.
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Originally Posted by Steezie View Post
I'd like to see some examples of leftist corporations
Ben and Jerry.

The corporations OWN the newsroom, they have a lot of influence
Better believe it.
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Originally Posted by chaz345 View Post
Large corporation does not equal conservative.

[1] Besides, how much influence over what goes on daily in the newsroom do you think most media owning corporations really exert?
are you serious?
They don't. They're primary goal is self expansion and profit. Which economic framework allows that to happen: a Conservative one or a Liberal?
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Originally Posted by Steezie View Post
Ok, this is something I dont really understand.
NoLongerHome is largely right with the every is to the right so 'left' is at most center left, however...

The liberal media is the regular media services there which act as agenda setting media. The NY Times being a leading example. This is the 'left liberal media' now they may be "left" on some issues, lets say abortion rights or something, but their inherent function is to set boundaries on what is acceptable in popular discourse. So you are allowed this much dissent but no more.

So for example none of them would point out that invading countries is a major crime or that 'no option is off the table with Iran' is a major crime. All corporate US media tow the party line. Examples to the contrary pretty much don't exist.

So in this framework yes there is a 'left liberal media' but their function is to set the acceptable framework for what is 'left'. Aside from this their function is the exact same as all the corporate media, sell a product (us) to a market (other big business).
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Quote: "super secret liberal conspiracy"

Where has anyone cited a super secret liberal conspiracy controlling the media?

I heard Hillary cite the vast right wing conspiracy, but, well, how about a source?
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