It's living in unrepentant sin, and it's not limited to homosexuality.
But it's not the main thrust of my post. It's telling the way people are clinging to that and ignoring the rest.
Well, I'm ignoring the rest because I have no problem with you accepting two loving parents for children, be they married or not, straight or gay, as being better than two unloving parents and not necessarily worse than two straight married parents, so there isn't much to be said there
Well, I'm ignoring the rest because I have no problem with you accepting two loving parents for children, be they married or not, straight or gay, as being better than two unloving parents and not necessarily worse than two straight married parents, so there isn't much to be said there
so why focus on whether I agree with the lifestyle or not? I put that there as a measure of full disclosure, not to start a war on whether it's a sin or not. I happen to believe that it is, but it doesn't mean I'm running out and telling the government what to do about it.
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so why focus on whether I agree with the lifestyle or not?
The problem is that while there apparently is something about gays that you consider sinful (and we can guess what that is), it is not a "lifestyle." There is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle."
There is nothing about the way an average gay person conducts himselves during the majority of his time that is substantially different from how an average straight person conducts himself. Neither is there any individual activity that every gay person involves himself in nor any individual activity that only gays, and no straights, are involved with.
I mean ten year old boys have been known to pick their noses on occasion, and many pick them quite often. Does that mean that there is a "ten-year-old-boy lifestyle" that includes -- indeed that focuses on -- nose-picking? And if there is does that mean that no one else ever picks his nose? Or that there are no ten year old boys who do not pick thier noses?
so why focus on whether I agree with the lifestyle or not? I put that there as a measure of full disclosure, not to start a war on whether it's a sin or not. I happen to believe that it is, but it doesn't mean I'm running out and telling the government what to do about it.
OllieFranz answered that quite well.
You don't like the "lifestyle" but there is no "lifestyle" as far as I can see, which is why I asked what you meant by it and why I wasn't satisfied with your response.
Yes, the issue is that the two parents raising the child are gay. But it even goes deeper than that. Apparently, only gay people raise gay children.
I'll be blunt, I'm not for the lifestyle, but I view it as I would any type of sinful lifestyle. I have two friends who are heterosexual, living together and not married. They have two kids. I kinda feel bad for the kids because they're not being taught to respect the vow of marriage. Do I think the parents are bad parents? Not necessarily, but for claiming to be Christian they aren't taking the Christian path of marriage and then children. But I don't think they're bad parents solely because they're not married. They actually love their children very much and would gladly give up their lives for them.
I feel the same way about same sex partners having kids. I may not agree with their lifestyle, but if they're adopting (or having via surrogate) children and they can love them and give them a stable home, then that's great.
There's a lot of crappy heterosexual two parent households out there. Bad parenting is not limited by sexual orientation.
I'm agreeing with a lot of this. And I get your sarcasm in the first paragraph!
But I'm not getting what you mean by 'lifestyle'. Parenting is a lifestyle, certainly, one that involves a lot of sacrifice of personal time for the child's welfare, but having a same-sex partner is no more a lifestyle than having an opposite-sex partner is.
Having a lot of sexual partners is a lifestyle, but one that applies to both gay and straight people. And those aren't the people who have children- looking after kids and going out on the pull are mutually exclusive activities- or at least should be, and I would disapprove of anyone, gay or straight, who disregarded their child's needs in favour of getting laid.
Oh dear, I'm getting moralistic in my old age...
Rampant self-indulgance is bad parenting. And yes, that's not limited to one sexual orientation. Neither is committing oneself to the needs of a child, which is good parenting.
I remember the sitcom in the OP. Very funny. One of my all-time favourites.
Does anyone remember 'Three men and a baby'? Three straight single men dealing with a baby. The mother turned up at the end, but the three men were committed to looking after the kid. It ended up with all four of them looking after junior. My mother's comment was "That seems like a decent ratio of adults to children". The more care-givers the better, given how much hassle babies are, especially ones that don't sleep through the night.
And pre-Industrial Revolution, all families were extended ones, with an army of adults to look after hordes of children. 'It takes a village to raise a child'.
Lots of role models of both sexes. Sounds great to me....
Could it simply be that 'lifestyle' is a poor choice of words? We've all heard it used before, mostly by anti-gay people, and we all know what it means. Obviously, there is no 'gay lifestyle', but that doesn't mean we're ignorant of what is not-so-subtly implied by the phrase.
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