It's not a matter of accepting views. If you do not think homosexuality is acceptable, that is fine. You are not allowed, however, to oppress people who view differently through wholly unjust popular votes and deny rights to them. There is simply no logical, legal argument for denying lawful gay marriages. It all rests with religion, and that is why churches should not be required to marry homosexuals. The law does not operate under the guise of the Bible, though, and it should not be expected to, as that would be endorsing a particular religion (or several religions in this case, such as Islam, Christianity, etc.).
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Because I'm not running about trying to make "traditional marriage" illegal, nor would I vote against it if it ever came up.
However, you seem to be down on those in this thread expressing their views, while you are perfectly at ease with expressing your own feelings towards traditional marriage. Rather a double standard, don't you think?
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Looking down on someone is not the same as denying their rights.
I look down on racists, but I certainly wouldn't deny their right to spew mindless fecal matter about the reality of the holocaust.
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However, you seem to be down on those in this thread expressing their views, while you are perfectly at ease with expressing your own feelings towards traditional marriage. Rather a double standard, don't you think?
No, not at all. I'm not trying to tell you who you can and cannot legally marry.
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I agree with Gishin. I don't get this preoccupation with homosexuals marrying.
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Hope the "Traditional marriage" folks are proud of breaking thousands of hearts overnight. I wonder how the same-sex partners with children will explain to them that they cannot get married because people don't want them to? How will they tell their kids that 53% of people voted to say that the love they share as a family is less and not as important as other families?
But, hey, your precious little angels who will probably be surrounded by drug use and having sex in a few years won't have to hear that somewhere, somehow, people do morally iffy things. It's not like children don't live in a bubble, anyway: I know my kids will not dare look at any news channel or watch TV or read any books! Just the Bible for them... after I rip out the pages and pages of sex, violence, incest, rape, genocide, warfare, slavery, and murder. I'm sick of sugar coating it.
The people who oppose gay marriage are usually not bad people, technically. I'd say about half of them are nice people. But I've met plenty of great people with terrible ideas, and opposition to gay marriage has become bigotry full-force. The rhetoric is evil and bright and sunny and "Wheee families! Let's deny others their civil rights by a slim majority!" it makes me feel ill. It's a bigoted and antiquated idea, and there should be no more popular approval at all. It doesn't involve anyone except for gay people period.
A majority should never ever ever be voting on the rights of a minority.
Funny how I remember being taught that back in 11th grade, in fact if I dug up an old notebook I could put the word-for-word quote from a 1980's textbook. I believe they referred to it as one of the basic prinicples of a constitutional democracy like the United States?
Good news, though, New Jersey will have a "repeal proof" marriage law before Corzine leaves in January- the majority Democratic legislature there is making sure of that as we speak.
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It's not a matter of accepting views. If you do not think homosexuality is acceptable, that is fine. You are not allowed, however, to oppress people who view differently through wholly unjust popular votes and deny rights to them. There is simply no logical, legal argument for denying lawful gay marriages. It all rests with religion, and that is why churches should not be required to marry homosexuals. The law does not operate under the guise of the Bible, though, and it should not be expected to, as that would be endorsing a particular religion (or several religions in this case, such as Islam, Christianity, etc.).
We deny a rapists right to rape
A robbers right to rob
A pedophiles right to love boys
The Law does deny what the evil consider thier right
Marriage was made by God and you have no absolute theololgy which can claim that an AIDS infected dearhgstyle is a viable lifestyle. All you have is a desire of the flesh no different than a pedophile desire for boys, A beastialiy desire for animals, a drukards desire for a drink, or a druggies desire for a fix. You desire of the flesh does not make it right simply because that is what you desire.
Once again, it is your word against the word of God. The desire of the people is to keep mariage the way God intended it.
Hope the "Traditional marriage" folks are proud of breaking thousands of hearts overnight. I wonder how the same-sex partners with children will explain to them that they cannot get married because people don't want them to? How will they tell their kids that 53% of people voted to say that the love they share as a family is less and not as important as other families?
But, hey, your precious little angels who will probably be surrounded by drug use and having sex in a few years won't have to hear that somewhere, somehow, people do morally iffy things. It's not like children don't live in a bubble, anyway: I know my kids will not dare look at any news channel or watch TV or read any books! Just the Bible for them... after I rip out the pages and pages of sex, violence, incest, rape, genocide, warfare, slavery, and murder. I'm sick of sugar coating it.
The people who oppose gay marriage are usually not bad people, technically. I'd say about half of them are nice people. But I've met plenty of great people with terrible ideas, and opposition to gay marriage has become bigotry full-force. The rhetoric is evil and bright and sunny and "Wheee families! Let's deny others their civil rights by a slim majority!" it makes me feel ill. It's a bigoted and antiquated idea, and there should be no more popular approval at all. It doesn't involve anyone except for gay people period.
A majority should never ever ever be voting on the rights of a minority.
Funny how I remember being taught that back in 11th grade, in fact if I dug up an old notebook I could put the word-for-word quote from a 1980's textbook. I believe they referred to it as one of the basic prinicples of a constitutional democracy like the United States?
Good news, though, New Jersey will have a "repeal proof" marriage law before Corzine leaves in January- the majority Democratic legislature there is making sure of that as we speak.
Sorry, but your AIDS infested deathstyle is not a viable way of life. No matter how much you try to shove it down the throats of the masses.
As far as breaking heartrs. We break the hearts of rapists who believe they have a right to rape, robbers who believe they have a right to rob, Pedophiles who believe sodomiziing boys is lovingh them, drunkards who believe thy have a right to drink, and druggies wo believe they have a right to dop. So "Broken heart" is not a factor. Anyone who does not get their perverted desire fulfilled is broken hearted.
1. Any two people any where can get married and its not against the law. It's a misunderstanding to say that gay marriage is illegal. It is legal. The issue at hand is not the legality of it. If you can find a preacher to perform the ceremony, you can get married in that sense and no one will show up, slap cuffs on you, and drag you to jail. The real issue is the criteria the state deems appropriate to give certain benefits for.
Which brings me to the second thing:
2. How about the state get out of the business of defining marriage all together? Let the churches and other organizations like them do that. Let the couples do the legal paper work to secure inheritance and power of attorney for their partners (as several gay couples I know have been responsible enough to do rather than whining about what the state is willing to offer) and then let the government simply give credit for child rearing regardless of marital status.
The whole issue would be solved very easily if this were done.
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Sorry, but God warns us time and time again that it is HE who determines the times and boundries of ALL nations. When the likes of you spit in Gods face and dec;are that you and not God makes the Laws, the nation is finished.
Originally Posted by Douger
This has nothing to do with hate, this is about defining marriage.
Am I full of hate if I vote that whiskey beats tequila or that a dog is under no circumstances a cat?
Originally Posted by BernieEOD
This nation was founded by Men of faith. They credit God with defeating the British under co9nditions they should have never won under. You take lust and call it love. This was done during the 60's where "Love" was an excuse for fornication. "We don;t have to wait for marriae to show our love" Was the excuse back then. Today, we are reaping the bitter harvest of sexual immorality. God defines marriage. Those who folow God canonly advise our government to keep marriage the way God intended it.
"This is what I am!" Is the excuse not ony of homosexuals but pedophiles and drug addicts as well. People are so enslaved to their sin they are now demanding to enslave others to it.
Originally Posted by BernieEOD
"Stay away from sexual immorality. Every other sin one commits is ouside the body. One who sins sexually sins against his own body"
I am for teaching that
Originally Posted by brinny
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