Though I do believe that gays should be able to marry since straights can, I don't think the government should be involved with marriage. Gay or straight. So I didn't vote on that question.
So I have a few comments about this I'm going to post here since I'm so angry at the results of this vote. I find solace in the fact that I'm young, and by the time I'm ready to get married, my generation and the one following me will be voting in larger numbers and we are overwhelming in favor of same-sex marriage.
Seeing these arguments again, the same things that were brought up during the prop 8 vote, I'm always struck by how incredibly faulty the arguments used against same-sex marriage are. The rallying cry of "think of the children" was once again dredged up (does anybody else find it ironic that the claiming to want to protect children is the side that is exploiting them for a political viewpoint?). This is, of course, a straw-man argument as letting gays get married has nothing to do with gays adopting. And, despite what many people love to claim, the purpose of marriage isn't to produce children. This is self-evident in that we let sterile people marry, and many couples never have children. So.... logical fallacy there.
God defines marriage, not any secular priesthood. Gods definition of marriage is that of one man, one woman joining together in order so that the two become one.
Second, changing the definition of marriage. Ignoring the fact that, historically, there is a good deal of evidence that suggests that same-sex marriage existed in Rome and Greece (I'll ignore that since it's not a proven theory), marriage between 1 man and 1 women for love has existed for about 100 years. Before that we had marriage between 1 man and many women, 1 man and 1 women who were forced into the institution, and marriage between 30 year old men and 12 year old girls. Maybe the side who wants to be "preserving marriage" should worry about the laws that prevent pedophilia, so we can go back to a more historical form of what marriage is.
Genisis is the historical form of marriage. Everything after that has been a human perversion of it. Contrary to what you claim, early Rome and Greece had very "Traditional" marriages and only in their latter days were they overcome by perversion. Such rampant immorality is always a sign of a nation about to collapse.
And people who think they need to impose their religion on others in this country do a disservice to what America was founded on. Not to get into the debate of separation of church and state, but the first Europeans to come to America came here so they could practice their religion freely. What's the difference between saying homosexuals can't get married, and the Vatican saying it's impossible for a protestant to get divorced.
It is YOU who is imposing your AIDS infected deathstyle upon society and society, for whatever their reasons is spitting it back out. It is WE who will not be subject to YOUR perverted theology.
You do a disservice to one of the basic ideas that this country stands for on so many levels by voting against same-sex marriage. I know that there are bad people in the world, who can't see the truth of the situation, and are blinded by prejudice and feel that they can hide behind a "I hate the sin" statement (which is preposterous, as they single out a single sinner to focus their political action on). It hurts me deeply to be told I can't love somebody that I love, or that I'm natural. I'm not patient, I want to be able to marry the man I love now, not later.
This nation was founded by Men of faith. They credit God with defeating the British under co9nditions they should have never won under. You take lust and call it love. This was done during the 60's where "Love" was an excuse for fornication. "We don;t have to wait for marriae to show our love" Was the excuse back then. Today, we are reaping the bitter harvest of sexual immorality. God defines marriage. Those who folow God canonly advise our government to keep marriage the way God intended it.
"This is what I am!" Is the excuse not ony of homosexuals but pedophiles and drug addicts as well. People are so enslaved to their sin they are now demanding to enslave others to it.
This nation was founded by Men of faith. They credit God with defeating the British under co9nditions they should have never won under. You take lust and call it love. This was done during the 60's where "Love" was an excuse for fornication. "We don;t have to wait for marriae to show our love" Was the excuse back then. Today, we are reaping the bitter harvest of sexual immorality. God defines marriage. Those who folow God canonly advise our government to keep marriage the way God intended it.
"This is what I am!" Is the excuse not ony of homosexuals but pedophiles and drug addicts as well. People are so enslaved to their sin they are now demanding to enslave others to it.
I'll respond to this post in a rational manner, although your usage of AIDS being a "gay disease" leads me to believe that rational arguments won't have an effect on you (actually enforcing my point that opposition to same-sex marriage is irrational).
First, I'd like to point out that your entire argument is moot here, as you are arguing based on your personal religious views, and they have no place in deciding public policy. However, you pointed out that God defined marriage in Genesis. What about the other forms of marriage mentioned in the bible?
Second, the majority of people in the world with AIDS are straight... so I'm not sure how you think it's a "gay disease". And I'm no more attempting to foster my lifestyle on you then somebody who likes to keep a pet parrot is shoving their bird in your face. To use a less obtuse example, I don't like NASCAR. NASCAR is legal in this country. Does that mean that I should file grievances with a court due to me having to deal with its existence?
Finally, how dare you define what is in my heart. You claim only god can know that, but you presume to have the same knowledge that he does, based on what you have read. It is obvious by your language that you don't care about "sin" and hold us in contempt. Sin is sin, maybe you should work on your own soul before worrying about a political referendum.
Yes, I'm sure God took some time out of his busy day to make sure a bunch of men he loved defeated a bunch of men he loved the exact same in a war, which is by definition full of violence and killing. God is such a fan of violence and killing, right?
God had nothing to do with the American Revolution. King Louis XVI probably played the biggest role.
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Your scriptures are worthless, we are a SECULAR Republic.
They are God's scriptures, His Word. As a brother in Christ, of course you know this. It is written.
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Which just makes me more proud that my fiance and I are having a secular wedding. I wouldn't want it tainted with this idea of marriage that oppresses people in love.
I don't feel oppressed at all.
Why is it okay for you to hold such disparaging views against "Traditional" marriage, but not for people to be against homosexual marriages?
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