To the thread in general: Sheesh. I can understand how non-Christians wouldn't mind gay marriage, homosexuality, gay agendas, etc. permeating our society -- but for the life of me I can't understand how ANY who claim Christ can condone, approve, or support the gay agenda in ANY FASHION - let alone ridicule, demean, contradict, or bash those Christians who don't and worse - call God's word "worthless."
"Love" is truly a misguided and naive view of God's word, of God's nature when used as an excuse to condone homosexuality. Homosexuality is an act, a behavior, a gross self-indulgence that God has clearly communicated He finds not only abominable - but UNNATURAL - and that above all other gross self-indulgences He despises - how anyone can believe God doesn't find it so truly boggles the mind and sadly shames the name of Christ.
Homosexuality is shameful behavior - as is condoning it or excusing it in any way.
Marriage is not a Christian union. Marriage is societies definition of a family. If the people want to change it, so be it. The change does not reflect what God has set down, but we accept so much other things god has said is not Christian. Gambling, drunkeness, adultery(Christian adultery, not societies(meaning if you think of having sex with someone you have comitted adultery.), idol worship, greed, list the deadly sins, our society has broken them all, even welcomed them with open arms.
Let Ceasar marry whom ever he wants, we can only stand in the shadows to remind those that listen, that this is not Godly.
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
Let he who is without sin, step forth and condem this specific sin, while remaining quiet on all the other deadly sins.
To those in favor of gay marriage, the people have decided. Sell the people on the idea, or take it to the courts. The better way is to convince the people to accpet it, but God has no little place in our courts, I will bet they will side for marriage.
This is not a triump for tradional marriage, it is not a total defeat for Gay marriage. As long as there are homosexuals, there will be homosexuals that want to get married.
No sin is bigger then anyother, but some Christians act like homosexuals having a paper that says they are married will topple Gods holy platform.
Take Gods message to the sinner, don't treat people like they don't have a voice. Marriage is what society makes it out to be. As long as they don't force churches to marry homosexuals, what harm is it to Christians?
Society can say People marrying cars, is legal. People marrying animals is legal. People marry corpses is legal. This does not reflect on the church.
IMO the people should decide what marriage is. Not the courts. Should the majority, be controlled by the minority, just because they shuffle the minority around to make it equal racism?
Marriage in the UNited States has always been man-woman. People tried to keep minorities from marrying to keep the races "in thier place"
Laws were changed based on racism. No law should be made to descriminate. Man woman marriage includes men and women of all races.
Man-woman marriage is the same for everyone. Coming in and claiming to be descriminated based on sexuality, doesn't change the fact that marriage was created as man-woman.
Change the laws, thats the way our goverment works. But to challenge this in courts, should not hold up. Because marriage in 1776 was man-woman, and every since, it was man/woman.
Yes, Marriage can be changed. I fully support the peoples right to change the laws. But I believe on this issue it should be the states people deciding, Not the Courts.
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Christians need to cast their nets in the sea of despair, not in the aquarium of church-----come, I will make you fishers of men.
So I take it those of you who believe same-sex marriage should be banned also believe non-Christian marriage should be banned too, right? After all, God's definition of marriage is the one we're using here, and I'd like to think that if He invented it He wants to be involved. If he's not, well it's not a real marriage, right?
You'd be kind of a hypocrite to think otherwise in my opinion, but I don't see very many people clamoring to make marriage officially Christian-only so I suspect there are lots of hypocrites in this country who just think gay people are gross and don't deserve the happiness that comes with marriage.
I don't recall anyone extending this to non-Christian marriage - or even mentioning Christian marriage "only" for that matter. Such a leap would be unwarranted, if only on the basis of what people have posted here, which they haven't. The topic is homosexual marriage - and the inferred right or wrong in a section of society sanctioning it.
And don't for a minute think I (who used the word "gross") or anyone else here who doesn't approve of homosexual marriage think homosexuals are "gross." That's altogether false and is a complete misread of what I said.
I said the BEHAVIOR is an act of "gross self-indulgence" - which it is. Don't presume from that however that I think those who indulge in such behavior gross themselves. That's not what I said. Grrrrrr....
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Or giving a racist a gay couple to lynch. Yes I just called you a racist. Aids isn't something to joke about friend. Maybe you should think hard on why its a good idea to think about something before the venom exits your mouth.
You are quite correct. It is nothing to joke about. That is why is is more important than ever to obey Gods command to stay away from Sexual immorlaity. The truth IS venomus to thos who are in rebellion.
That is why is it more important tan ever to call people out of any deathstyle which spreads AIDS
I don't recall anyone extending this to non-Christian marriage - or even mentioning Christian marriage "only" for that matter. Such a leap would be unwarranted, if only on the basis of what people have posted here, which they haven't. The topic is homosexual marriage - and the inferred right or wrong in a section of society sanctioning it.
And don't for a minute think I (who used the word "gross") or anyone else here who doesn't approve of homosexual marriage think homosexuals are "gross." That's altogether false and is a complete misread of what I said.
I said the BEHAVIOR is an act of "gross self-indulgence" - which it is. Don't presume from that however that I think those who indulge in such behavior gross themselves. That's not what I said. Grrrrrr....
Yeah, I can't think of anything so selfish as to love someone.
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You are quite correct. It is nothing to joke about. That is why is is more important than ever to obey Gods command to stay away from Sexual immorlaity. The truth IS venomus to thos who are in rebellion.
That is why is it more important tan ever to call people out of any deathstyle which spreads AIDS
Than we should focus on comprehensive sex education.
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Marriage is not a Christian union. Marriage is societies definition of a family. If the people want to change it, so be it. The change does not reflect what God has set down, but we accept so much other things god has said is not Christian. Gambling, drunkeness, adultery(Christian adultery, not societies(meaning if you think of having sex with someone you have comitted adultery.), idol worship, greed, list the deadly sins, our society has broken them all, even welcomed them with open arms.
Let Ceasar marry whom ever he wants, we can only stand in the shadows to remind those that listen, that this is not Godly.
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
Let he who is without sin, step forth and condem this specific sin, while remaining quiet on all the other deadly sins.
I did not say marriage was [exclusively] a Christian union - did I? Why then do you purposely misrepresent what I did say as you do?
What my post DID do was to condemn the ACT of homosexuality - which act, among others, God tolerates neither. What that post and my post above does affirm is the need to hate the sin (which I am) but love the sinner (which I do).
Yet I am hastily condemned by a brother in Christ of being a judgmental hypocrite. I do condemn this sin, which God does too. While this thread's topic involves this sin and this sin alone, I am nevertheless accused of wrongfullly remaining silent on all other deadly sins - such knowledge I'm thoroughly unaware how one would come by in the first place.
Tolerance is not love. Condoning sin, excusing sin is not love. Pointing out the truth about sin is love, for in so doing the sinner is admonished, informed, and encouraged to do otherwise. If we tolerate sin, condone it, excuse it - not wishing to hurt the feelings of those practicing it, or believing it somehow not a sin despite God's word to the contrary, we are as guilty of their lives as if the sin were our own.
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I did not say marriage was [exclusively] a Christian union - did I? Why then do you purposely misrepresent what I did say as you do?
What my post DID do was to condemn the ACT of homosexuality - which act, among others, God tolerates neither. What that post and my post above does affirm is the need to hate the sin (which I am) but love the sinner (which I do).
Yet I am hastily condemned by a brother in Christ of being a judgmental hypocrite. I do condemn this sin, which God does too. While this thread's topic involves this sin and this sin alone, I am nevertheless accused of wrongfullly remaining silent on all other deadly sins - such knowledge I'm thoroughly unaware how one would come by in the first place.
Tolerance is not love. Condoning sin, excusing sin is not love. Pointing out the truth about sin is love, for in so doing the sinner is admonished, informed, and encouraged to do otherwise. If we tolerate sin, condone it, excuse it - not wishing to hurt the feelings of those practicing it, or believing it somehow not a sin despite God's word to the contrary, we are as guilty of their lives as if the sin were our own.
Then by that logic, we should just replace the constitution with the bible and call ourselves the Theocratic States of America.
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Yeah, I can't think of anything so selfish as to love someone.
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I can understand how non-Christians wouldn't mind gay marriage, homosexuality, gay agendas, etc. permeating our society -- but for the life of me I can't understand how ANY who claim Christ can condone, approve, or support the gay agenda in ANY FASHION - let alone ridicule, demean, contradict, or bash those Christians who don't and worse - call God's word "worthless."
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