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Originally Posted by serephim02 View Post
This is fail, people should be helping one another instead of worrying "teh gayz corruptin yer kidz!" This is what gives christians a bad name, God said to love another, not prohibit them from marriage which may be for better or worse.

Gawd, sometimes christians remind me of the evil dude that would tie the maiden to the tracks and pull his curly mustache. For shame, shame. Let the people get married, and lets start helping one another rather than boil it down to economy and politics.


Jesus say, "Love one another, even your weird gay brother."
You are not loving anyone by blessing an AIDS infected deathstyle.
Neither are you loving a drunkard by giving him a drink or a drug addict by giving him dope.
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Originally Posted by BernieEOD View Post
The US does not govern according to the bible.

No but those who follow Christ follow his teachings. Marriage is a union of one man and one woman. A Christian will advise goverment to keep marrriage the way God intended.
Marriage has only been one man one woman for the last couple hundred years. Historically, it's been something quite different.

If god wants marriage a certain way, then he can come down and fix it himself.
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Old 4th November 2009, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ThankGodforGod View Post
Your scriptures are worthless, we are a SECULAR Republic.
...which is PRECISELY why we don't have a federal law prohibiting homosexual marriage. Such decisions are left to the STATES, which is entirely within their purview to mandate one way or another - and which is why NOT EVERY STATE has such a law. Some STATES want it. Others don't.

Curious -- since you find the scriptures worthless, what text(s) does your church use in lieu of God's? Might help the rest of us understand where you're coming from when you make the sort of comments you do.
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Originally Posted by Subdood View Post
To the thread in general: Sheesh. I can understand how non-Christians wouldn't mind gay marriage, homosexuality, gay agendas, etc. permeating our society -- but for the life of me I can't understand how ANY who claim Christ can condone, approve, or support the gay agenda in ANY FASHION - let alone ridicule, demean, contradict, or bash those Christians who don't and worse - call God's word "worthless."
"Love" is truly a misguided and naive view of God's word, of God's nature when used as an excuse to condone homosexuality. Homosexuality is an act, a behavior, a gross self-indulgence that God has clearly communicated He finds not only abominable - but UNNATURAL - and that above all other gross self-indulgences He despises - how anyone can believe God doesn't find it so truly boggles the mind and sadly shames the name of Christ.

Homosexuality is shameful behavior - as is condoning it or excusing it in any way.
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Originally Posted by BernieEOD View Post
The US does not govern according to the bible.

No but those who follow Christ follow his teachings. Marriage is a union of one man and one woman. A Christian will advise goverment to keep marrriage the way God intended.
So will a Christian also advise the Government to only worship the One True God?
If not, why one set of teachings, but not the more important one?
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Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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Originally Posted by BernieEOD View Post
If god wants marriage a certain way, then he can come down and fix it himself.

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Bro - helpful hint. You can click on the QUOTE button in the lower right-hand corner of someone's post - that will wrap their post in "quote tags" so it's obviously their comment and not yours (which is what I did in reply to your post here).
If god wants marriage a certain way, then he can come down and fix it himself.
Or, you can type in the quote tags before and after a section of text too.
Syntax: [tag] ...text you want to quote... [/tag] Instead of typing "tag" type "quote" (without the quotation marks)

Or, in the reply window, you can highlight a section of text and click on the "wrap quote tags" icon (looks like a quotation bubble).

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So I take it those of you who believe same-sex marriage should be banned also believe non-Christian marriage should be banned too, right? After all, God's definition of marriage is the one we're using here, and I'd like to think that if He invented it He wants to be involved. If he's not, well it's not a real marriage, right?

You'd be kind of a hypocrite to think otherwise in my opinion, but I don't see very many people clamoring to make marriage officially Christian-only so I suspect there are lots of hypocrites in this country who just think gay people are gross and don't deserve the happiness that comes with marriage.
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So I take it those of you who believe same-sex marriage should be banned also believe non-Christian marriage should be banned too, right? After all, God's definition of marriage is the one we're using here, and I'd like to think that if He invented it He wants to be involved. If he's not, well it's not a real marriage, right?

You'd be kind of a hypocrite to think otherwise in my opinion, but I don't see very many people clamoring to make marriage officially Christian-only so I suspect there are lots of hypocrites in this country who just think gay people are gross and don't deserve the happiness that comes with marriage.
Which just makes me more proud that my fiance and I are having a secular wedding. I wouldn't want it tainted with this idea of marriage that oppresses people in love.
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