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4th November 2009, 12:47 AM
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Does God punish directly (Job style or Jonah style) or is punishment integrated into creation/nature?
Does God work with us all the time? Or sometimes against us?
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It is customary to blame secular science and anti-religious philosophy for the eclipse of religion in modern society. It would be more honest to blame religion for its own defeats. Religion declined not because it was refuted, but because it became irrelevant, oppressive, insipid. When faith is replaced by creed, worship by discipline, love by habit; when religion speaks only in the name of authority rather than with the voice of compassion -- its message becomes meaningless. - Abraham Heschel |
4th November 2009, 06:41 PM
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4th November 2009, 11:59 PM
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Reps: 360,803,169,506,777 (power: 360,803,169,507) | | | Hmmmm.....I'm still not convinced God wants to punish us.
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5th November 2009, 12:32 AM
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Reps: 7,051,041,170,743 (power: 7,051,041,172) | | | I have been of the opinion that consequences are built into creation. Also, that God will let us make our choices whether in accordance to His will or against. Either way we choose to go, there is either consequence and/or reward (both in either situation).
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It is customary to blame secular science and anti-religious philosophy for the eclipse of religion in modern society. It would be more honest to blame religion for its own defeats. Religion declined not because it was refuted, but because it became irrelevant, oppressive, insipid. When faith is replaced by creed, worship by discipline, love by habit; when religion speaks only in the name of authority rather than with the voice of compassion -- its message becomes meaningless. - Abraham Heschel |
5th November 2009, 12:51 AM
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Reps: 360,803,169,506,777 (power: 360,803,169,507) | | | That's exactly where I'm at....natural consequences. That's not punishment(something external or arbitrary) but a sort of natural cause and effect...like natural order. "built into creation"......I like that.
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5th November 2009, 01:21 AM
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Reps: 7,051,041,170,743 (power: 7,051,041,172) | | Originally Posted by b.hopeful  That's exactly where I'm at....natural consequences. That's not punishment(something external or arbitrary) but a sort of natural cause and effect...like natural order. "built into creation"......I like that.
That term is on loan from John Crossan and Marcus Borg  . For me it is the best way to describe my view.
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It is customary to blame secular science and anti-religious philosophy for the eclipse of religion in modern society. It would be more honest to blame religion for its own defeats. Religion declined not because it was refuted, but because it became irrelevant, oppressive, insipid. When faith is replaced by creed, worship by discipline, love by habit; when religion speaks only in the name of authority rather than with the voice of compassion -- its message becomes meaningless. - Abraham Heschel |
5th November 2009, 01:51 AM
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Reps: 360,803,169,506,777 (power: 360,803,169,507) | | | They are good men to borrow from.
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5th November 2009, 03:41 PM
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Reps: 7,051,041,170,743 (power: 7,051,041,172) | | Originally Posted by b.hopeful They are good men to borrow from.
Indeed they are. I would love to actually meet them one day.
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It is customary to blame secular science and anti-religious philosophy for the eclipse of religion in modern society. It would be more honest to blame religion for its own defeats. Religion declined not because it was refuted, but because it became irrelevant, oppressive, insipid. When faith is replaced by creed, worship by discipline, love by habit; when religion speaks only in the name of authority rather than with the voice of compassion -- its message becomes meaningless. - Abraham Heschel |
5th November 2009, 04:51 PM
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Reps: 360,803,169,506,777 (power: 360,803,169,507) | | | I think I've finally found the super power that I want. Not the ability to fly, or be invisible, or to be bullet proof.....the power to summons! lol....I would love to have a dinner party with them sitting at the table!
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5th November 2009, 09:05 PM
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Reps: 7,051,041,170,743 (power: 7,051,041,172) | | Originally Posted by b.hopeful I think I've finally found the super power that I want. Not the ability to fly, or be invisible, or to be bullet proof.....the power to summons! lol....I would love to have a dinner party with them sitting at the table!
My gift is interdimensional travel....oh yeah..it's true! Granted it's all in my head though. Imagine the wealth of info they share...I don't think there is a question they couldn't answer.
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It is customary to blame secular science and anti-religious philosophy for the eclipse of religion in modern society. It would be more honest to blame religion for its own defeats. Religion declined not because it was refuted, but because it became irrelevant, oppressive, insipid. When faith is replaced by creed, worship by discipline, love by habit; when religion speaks only in the name of authority rather than with the voice of compassion -- its message becomes meaningless. - Abraham Heschel | | |
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