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4th November 2009, 06:13 PM
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Reps: 491,756,426,424,661,120 (power: 491,756,426,424,679) | | Originally Posted by ebia  For pities sake: what else are you going to do on Christmas day and what kind of thinking prefers that over celebrating the Incarnation on that day?
Your question would only make sense if I had said that I don't celebrate Christmas/the Incarnation.
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So are you trying to say in a roundabout way that you are celebrating the Incarnation on Christmas day, just not in church?
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The January 7 was kind of an inside joke to the fellow EO folks here since there are Orthodox parishes that celebrate the Nativity on either December 25 (Gregorian or New Calendar) and those that do so on January 7 (Julian or Old Calendar).
I believe in Russia, Serbia, Romania, Ukraine and a few other places they celebrate Nativity on January 7.
How is going to church on Christmas Day a "have to" event?
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4th November 2009, 07:19 PM
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That would be correct.
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Reps: 491,756,426,424,661,120 (power: 491,756,426,424,679) | | Originally Posted by E.C. The January 7 was kind of an inside joke to the fellow EO folks here since there are Orthodox parishes that celebrate the Nativity on either December 25 (Gregorian or New Calendar) and those that do so on January 7 (Julian or Old Calendar).
I believe in Russia, Serbia, Romania, Ukraine and a few other places they celebrate Nativity on January 7.
How is going to church on Christmas Day a "have to" event?
Hopefully it's not. But there have been a couple of comments about it being in the canon, or it being inconceivable that their church wouldn't have services on Christmas, and one statement indicating that one would answer some sort of judgement if they didn't attend. Sounds pretty "have to" to me.
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So I guess the question becomes "why do you prefer to way you currently choose to celebrate the coming of the King over doing so within the community of his people?"
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... and then follows up with a number of posts defending a hypothetical position - that any church celebrating Christmas on Christmas Day is somehow 'legalistic' - that in celebrating Christmas on Christmas Day one is 'having to'. Which beggars the question - when should Christmas be celebrated if not on Christmas Day? How is it that celebrating on the day in question gives rise to charges of 'legalism? I find this rather fascinating.
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Hammster: "That's legalism"
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H: "Because that implies that I'm not as spiritual"
Illogic rears its ugly head.
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Reps: 210,693,748,045,869,408 (power: 210,693,748,045,886) | | Originally Posted by Hammster Hopefully it's not. But there have been a couple of comments about it being in the canon, or it being inconceivable that their church wouldn't have services on Christmas, and one statement indicating that one would answer some sort of judgement if they didn't attend. Sounds pretty "have to" to me.
Look, the spiritual life of the believer is between the believer and God.
Yet it still seems, I'll be blunt, ridiculous even bordering on heresy to not go to church and worship Christ on His birthday. How is it considered "legalistic" to celebrate His birthday by taking the time off and worshiping Him as a community like one does on Sundays?
I'm not saying this to be mean or anything like that, I'm just trying to understand the rational for not going to church on Christmas because it seems as foreign to me as Shakespeare is to your stereotypical country hick.
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