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3rd November 2009, 07:55 PM
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If anyone is familiar with the New Perspective on Paul, I'm looking for a decent English translation that reflects it, or at least leaves the text ambiguous enough to be read either way (if that's possible!).
Any ideas?
__________________ ...Do not let me hear
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God.
The only wisdom we can hope to acquire
Is the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.
- From The Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot
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3rd November 2009, 11:06 PM
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Ring any bells?
__________________ ...Do not let me hear
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God.
The only wisdom we can hope to acquire
Is the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.
- From The Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot
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3rd November 2009, 11:16 PM
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love is stronger than hate,
light is stronger than darkness,
life is stronger than death,
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4th November 2009, 08:50 PM
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__________________ ...Do not let me hear
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God.
The only wisdom we can hope to acquire
Is the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.
- From The Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot
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5th November 2009, 05:01 PM
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5th November 2009, 07:00 PM
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Thanks!
__________________ ...Do not let me hear
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God.
The only wisdom we can hope to acquire
Is the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.
- From The Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot
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5th November 2009, 07:11 PM
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Reps: 478,751,127,663,232,320 (power: 478,751,127,663,264) | | Originally Posted by ittarter  Why anyone would want the entire Bible in a 2000-page .docx is beyond me. However, by tomorrow the file should have loaded and I can have a look at Galatians (if I can find it!).
Thanks!
ISV is available (free) for e-sword (free software) which would be an easier way of using it. e-Sword - the Sword of the LORD with an electronic edge
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"Goodness is stronger than evil,
love is stronger than hate,
light is stronger than darkness,
life is stronger than death,
victory is ours through him who loved us."
(+Desmond Tutu) |
5th November 2009, 07:18 PM
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Reps: 478,751,127,663,232,320 (power: 478,751,127,663,264) | | Just flicking through the other translations I've got for (pocket) e-sword, I noticed NET also has 'faithfulness of Jesus Christ' there. Also available free for e-sword and others.
Interesting - I've got a printed copy on order and now I'm looking forward to reading it even more!
In fact, from Wikipedia's entry on the New Perspective on Paul: Another related issue is the pistis Christou ('faith of Christ') debate. Paul several times uses this phrase at key points in his writings and it is linguistically ambiguous as to whether it refers to our faith in Christ ("objective genitive"), or Christ's own faithfulness to God ("subjective genitive"), or even our faith/faithfulness to God like that which Christ had ("adjectival genitive"). There is wide disagreement within the academic community over which of these is the best rendering. The NET Bible translation became the first mainstream English Bible translation to use a subjective genitive translation of this phrase. [15]
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"Goodness is stronger than evil,
love is stronger than hate,
light is stronger than darkness,
life is stronger than death,
victory is ours through him who loved us."
(+Desmond Tutu)
Last edited by ebia; 5th November 2009 at 07:25 PM.
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7th November 2009, 06:52 PM
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Now to Him who is able to keep you from falling..... be glory, majesty, dominion and authority for ever. (Jude)
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8th November 2009, 02:48 AM
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Reps: 95,798,172,692,379,840 (power: 95,798,172,692,383) | | | Thanks, cyberlizard, for pointing that out. CJB has other issues, in my opinion, but look at how they translate, say, Rom. 3:26
NASB: ...for the demonstration, I say, of [God's] righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
CJB: ...and it vindicates [God's] righteousness in the present age by showing that he is righteous himself and is also the one who makes people righteous on the ground of Yeshua's faithfulness.
Not bad.
__________________ ...Do not let me hear
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God.
The only wisdom we can hope to acquire
Is the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.
- From The Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot
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