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Old 3rd November 2009, 07:19 PM
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Catholics and Protestants is that many Catholic crosses have an image of Jesus hanging on them, while Protestant crosses are empty. (The cross with Christ on it is a crucifix.) More important is that the cross and the crucifix represent two very different understandings of Christ's atonement for sin. Both Catholics and evangelical Protestants believe that Christ died to pay the penalty for sin. The difference is that Protestants believe that Christ's work was finished on the cross, and Catholics believe it continues.

For Catholics, the appearance of Christ on the crucifix represents the fact that Christ's atoning work is still going on.

For Protestants, the empty cross demonstrates that Christ's sacrificial work is completed, and there is no more sacrifice for sin.
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Old 3rd November 2009, 07:22 PM
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And here I thought the empty cross was that Christ was no longer there but carrying on His work in the resurrected life
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Just an FYI, the majority of the Crosses in the world that don't have Christ on them is Orthodox.
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Old 3rd November 2009, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Evangelica View Post
And here I thought the empty cross was that Christ was no longer there but carrying on His work in the resurrected life
That too.
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God knows all. He has known everything from the beginning. Nothing is a surprise to God, nor does He ever come into possession of new knowledge. Did it ever occur to you that nothing occurs to God?

God gave us conscience. If the truth of God's Word opposes the world's wisdom on a certain issue, you must align yourself with God's Word.

Faith is from God, not from man. Man can do nothing to earn or receive it. Martin Luther

If we take our doctrines into our hearts where they belong, they can cause upheavals of emotion and sleepless nights. This is far better than toying with academic ideas that never touch life. John Piper

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Originally Posted by Yeznik View Post
Just an FYI, the majority of the Crosses in the world that don't have Christ on them is Orthodox.
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God gave us conscience. If the truth of God's Word opposes the world's wisdom on a certain issue, you must align yourself with God's Word.

Faith is from God, not from man. Man can do nothing to earn or receive it. Martin Luther

If we take our doctrines into our hearts where they belong, they can cause upheavals of emotion and sleepless nights. This is far better than toying with academic ideas that never touch life. John Piper

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Old 3rd November 2009, 07:32 PM
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Some believe that those images help them to see God in various forms. Native Americans saw the great spirit's strength when they looked at eagles, wisdom when they saw an owl.
When God said not to have images it's because He wants nothing between Him and His people. Not an earthly projection of a small bit of who He is.
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Old 3rd November 2009, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Evangelica View Post
Some believe that those images help them to see God in various forms. Native Americans saw the great spirit's strength when they looked at eagles, wisdom when they saw an owl.
When God said not to have images it's because He wants nothing between Him and His people. Not an earthly projection of a small bit of who He is.
During Reformation, some early Protestant reformers were very cautious about images of Christ. Crosses are frequent in places of worship, but these reformers believed that using images of God in worship was a violation of the second commandment.
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In the words of Fr. Benedict Groeshel on why Catholics have the Crucifix:

"All of us has a Cross to carry, none of us knows what it's like to be risen from the dead."

Or something like that.

Are there really no crucifixes in Protestant churches?
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During Reformation, some early Protestant reformers were very cautious about images of Christ. Crosses are frequent in places of worship, but these reformers believed that using images of God in worship was a violation of the second commandment.
Really? Just during the reformation
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Really? Just during the reformation
Of course, today too. LOL
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