Crucifix "style" or not...we ALL need to kneel at the Cross whenever we get the chance.
Yes. But these symbols the church uses mean things.
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Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. 1 Corinthians 7:24
Yes. But these symbols the church uses mean things.
I understand that brother.
Believe me, as a former Catholic who appreciated the crucifix, a former Baptist who appreciated the empty Cross and a lifelong orthodox Presbyterian who appreciates both in form and meaning at the same time. Officially I know that the Presbyterian church neither authorizes(at the presbytery level) nor condones the use of crucifixes in in a church, I authorize it in my home for humility and humble faith. My meanings.
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Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
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Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
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From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
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The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
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Jim, it's surprising that you as a Lutheran would start out this thread by saying basically that Protestants use a bare cross and Catholics use crucifixes. Many, many Lutheran churches use crucifixes - and not just during Lent.
For those who might have a problem with depicting Christ on the Cross because 'he's not on the cross any more' - I sure hope you don't ever put baby Jesus in a manger ...
Yeah I don't get that either, why people have such an issue. When I look at a Crucifix I feel soo humbled and grateful and a constant reminder that Christ went through this for us.
and on the flip side the empty Cross He has Risen.
Easter symbolizes the resurrection. Would it not be more suitable to depict an empty cross? That is, one wherein it is shown that Christ suffers not, but has risen? The sacrifice paid and accepted by proof of the resurrection. RCC does not do that. Instead they show Christ in/out of time on the cross as the sacrifice forever.
The priest, therefore, is necessary to effect that sacrifice, pictured by Christ on the cross.
Yeah let's only remember what we get out of the Resurrection but let's forget what the Man did for us so WE can have eternal life.
That's like a kid getting a car from his parents and forgetting or not caring that his parents had to work two jobs and countless OT to get.
I find that view to be a selfish self centered view.
I never understood the phrase "effect a sacrifice" in the context of the Cross.
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I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
Yeah let's only remember what we get out of the Resurrection but let's forget what the Man did for us so WE can have eternal life.
That's like a kid getting a car from his parents and forgetting or not caring that his parents had to work two jobs and countless OT to get.
I find that view to be a selfish self centered view.
Do you really want to go down that path ?
If so, start a thread and we will find out why the Synoptics talk of crucifixion after Passover and John talks of crucifixion before Passover.
__________________ God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:9-10
Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. 1 Corinthians 7:24
I never understood the phrase "effect a sacrifice" in the context of the Cross.
Thank you for seeing that.
It is from the Council of Trent.
"And forasmuch as, in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the mass, that same Christ is contained and immolated in an unbloody manner, who once offered Himself in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross; the holy Synod teaches, that this sacrifice is truly propritiatory and that by means thereof this is effected, that we obtain mercy, and find grace in seasonable aid, if we draw nigh unto God, contrite and penitent, with a sincere heart and upright faith, with fear and reverence. " CT022
For Christ's sacrifice 2000 years ago to be effective today for you and me, it takes a duly ordained priest saying the right words at the altar by a bloodless sacrifice.
Take down Christ off the cross like the PROTESTants? Right.
__________________ God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:9-10
Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. 1 Corinthians 7:24
__________________ God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:9-10
Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. 1 Corinthians 7:24
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