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Yes. But these symbols the church uses mean things.
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Reps: 177,116,452,243,484,384 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by CantateDomino Jim, it's surprising that you as a Lutheran would start out this thread by saying basically that Protestants use a bare cross and Catholics use crucifixes. Many, many Lutheran churches use crucifixes - and not just during Lent.
For those who might have a problem with depicting Christ on the Cross because 'he's not on the cross any more' - I sure hope you don't ever put baby Jesus in a manger ... 
Yeah I don't get that either, why people have such an issue. When I look at a Crucifix I feel soo humbled and grateful and a constant reminder that Christ went through this for us.
and on the flip side the empty Cross He has Risen.
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Reps: 177,116,452,243,484,384 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Standing Up Easter symbolizes the resurrection. Would it not be more suitable to depict an empty cross? That is, one wherein it is shown that Christ suffers not, but has risen? The sacrifice paid and accepted by proof of the resurrection. RCC does not do that. Instead they show Christ in/out of time on the cross as the sacrifice forever.
The priest, therefore, is necessary to effect that sacrifice, pictured by Christ on the cross.
Yeah let's only remember what we get out of the Resurrection but let's forget what the Man did for us so WE can have eternal life.
That's like a kid getting a car from his parents and forgetting or not caring that his parents had to work two jobs and countless OT to get.
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Reps: 3,070,193,490,385,677,824 (power: 3,070,193,490,385,696) | | Originally Posted by boswd Yeah let's only remember what we get out of the Resurrection but let's forget what the Man did for us so WE can have eternal life.
That's like a kid getting a car from his parents and forgetting or not caring that his parents had to work two jobs and countless OT to get.
I find that view to be a selfish self centered view.
Do you really want to go down that path  ?
If so, start a thread and we will find out why the Synoptics talk of crucifixion after Passover and John talks of crucifixion before Passover.
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Reps: 3,070,193,490,385,677,824 (power: 3,070,193,490,385,696) | | Originally Posted by NRB I never understood the phrase "effect a sacrifice" in the context of the Cross.
Thank you for seeing that.
It is from the Council of Trent.
"And forasmuch as, in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the mass, that same Christ is contained and immolated in an unbloody manner, who once offered Himself in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross; the holy Synod teaches, that this sacrifice is truly propritiatory and that by means thereof this is effected, that we obtain mercy, and find grace in seasonable aid, if we draw nigh unto God, contrite and penitent, with a sincere heart and upright faith, with fear and reverence. "
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For Christ's sacrifice 2000 years ago to be effective today for you and me, it takes a duly ordained priest saying the right words at the altar by a bloodless sacrifice.
Take down Christ off the cross like the PROTESTants? Right.
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No?
Fear not.
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