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No one is allowed to depict God the Father.
So Christ Jesus at His Right Hand is a bit hard to comprehend.
Instead we put Him in the manger, on the cross, around the neck, whatever  
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So Christ Jesus at His Right Hand is a bit hard to comprehend.
Instead we put Him in the manger, on the cross, around the neck, whatever
Christ is the icon of the Living God; when we have seen the Son, we have also seen the Father. Therefore, when we portray Christ, we also portray God.
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Reps: 1,100,777,478,970,303,104 (power: 1,100,777,478,970,327) | | Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus It seems from what I have gathered so far, is that different types of Crucifixes are displayed in Churches of different Denominations....What I want to know is, why do they differ?
The different portrayals of the crucifixion reflect different interpretations of the passion to any particular denomination.
Catholics will often show Christ suffering in great agony, because to them the passion; the suffering and death of the Lord for mankind, is central to their understanding of our suffering, and our own death. The emphasis is on Christ as the Lamb of God, the willing sacrifice, laying down his life freely for us all.
Orthodox representations, not in statue form but in iconography, are far more stylised, and emphasise the relationship between Christ and the world, and his sacrifice for mankind, rather than his personal suffering. The inscription is no longer INRI but 'the King of Glory and the Angels.'
And a third variant (and my personal favourite) is the crucifix with an image of the risen Christ standing in glory, with his arms outstretched in welcome. This is Christ our High Priest.
These three different ways of seeing the same event are all equally valid. Perhaps we could relate them to the gifts of the magi; they brought gold for the King, frankincense for the High Priest and myrrh for the Sacrificial Lamb. Similarly, we can offer our worship to any or all of these in standing before the cross; all are equally acceptable.
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I still have one in my house.
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Reps: 3,070,193,490,385,677,824 (power: 3,070,193,490,385,696) | | Originally Posted by Catherineanne The different portrayals of the crucifixion reflect different interpretations of the passion to any particular denomination.
Catholics will often show Christ suffering in great agony, because to them the passion; the suffering and death of the Lord for mankind, is central to their understanding of our suffering, and our own death. The emphasis is on Christ as the Lamb of God, the willing sacrifice, laying down his life freely for us all. -snip-
I don't think so. They spearheaded Easter, rather than the day of death. The OP nailed it (perpetual sacrifice, so on the cross always). Thus you need the duly ordained priest saying the right words at the altar for the efficacy of the cross to become effective again for you.
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Reps: 3,070,193,490,385,677,824 (power: 3,070,193,490,385,696) | | Originally Posted by Catherineanne Christ is the icon of the Living God; when we have seen the Son, we have also seen the Father. Therefore, when we portray Christ, we also portray God.
Sure.
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Reps: 1,100,777,478,970,303,104 (power: 1,100,777,478,970,327) | | Originally Posted by Standing Up I don't think so. They spearheaded Easter, rather than the day of death. The OP nailed it (perpetual sacrifice, so on the cross always). Thus you need the duly ordained priest saying the right words at the altar for the efficacy of the cross to become effective again for you.
I am not sure what you are saying here. Certainly Easter is central to our faith, Catholic or not, but the discussion here is about the different ways of depicting the crucifixion.
As for the duly ordained priest, what has that got to do with any of us kneeling at the foot of the cross in prayer, exactly? He can join us, if he likes, but we can worship the Lord with or without him.
As for 'on the cross always' that puts Christ in time again. As I have already said, it is more accurate to say that the cross is eternal, but this is not a matter of time.
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3rd November 2009, 11:25 PM
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Reps: 3,070,193,490,385,677,824 (power: 3,070,193,490,385,696) | | Originally Posted by Catherineanne I am not sure what you are saying here. Certainly Easter is central to our faith, Catholic or not, but the discussion here is about the different ways of depicting the crucifixion.
As for the duly ordained priest, what has that got to do with any of us kneeling at the foot of the cross in prayer, exactly? He can join us, if he likes, but we can worship the Lord with or without him.
As for 'on the cross always' that puts Christ in time again. As I have already said, it is more accurate to say that the cross is eternal, but this is not a matter of time.
Easter symbolizes the resurrection. Would it not be more suitable to depict an empty cross? That is, one wherein it is shown that Christ suffers not, but has risen? The sacrifice paid and accepted by proof of the resurrection. RCC does not do that. Instead they show Christ in/out of time on the cross as the sacrifice forever.
The priest, therefore, is necessary to effect that sacrifice, pictured by Christ on the cross.
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