This is the Word of the Lord if you don't think the answer comes from there, then where else? IMHO you do not burn in hell for infinite years, you only burn until your forever dead; "this is the second death."
Everlasting hellfire sure sounds like infinite suffering. I agree we need to look to the Word, but I'm really struggling to find the answer to this. I'm going to get home tonight and REALLY pray about this. God knows my heart is in agony right now, thinking about the ones I love having to suffer. My uncle who was like a father to me didn't believe and he passed away, is he below us screaming in pain, while we sit here talking about the Lord? He died almost three years ago, has this been going on since then? All I can know for sure, is that he was by no means a Christian, but I loved him like a father.
Everlasting hellfire sure sounds like infinite suffering. I agree we need to look to the Word, but I'm really struggling to find the answer to this. I'm going to get home tonight and REALLY pray about this. God knows my heart is in agony right now, thinking about the ones I love having to suffer. My uncle who was like a father to me didn't believe and he passed away, is he below us screaming in pain, while we sit here talking about the Lord? He died almost three years ago, has this been going on since then? All I can know for sure, is that he was by no means a Christian, but I loved him like a father.
I'm usually wrong in a lot of these discussions, so you might be right; I sincerely hope know one was offended by any of the posts I made in the thread, if they were, I do apologize.
Well One thing is For sure My Brother Stelow! I don't even want to chance it do You? Besides I know that My God is not a Liar and if He says what is in the Scriptures are True as the word is True...Then that's all I need, I need not fear The second death, I have Been redeemed ..........We all have relatives We loved dearly, We all Have friends We love Dearly, and We are Like Jesus, In that We desire not a single one to suffer this second death. and We will try our level Best to lead Our loved ones to a saving knowledge of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As for the ones who have passed away, well , I guess that is in God's hands completely now. unless We are able to Pray that they be Saved, but there is nothing in the word that indicates that we can Pray a soul into Heaven But in case that the Lord left that part out of His word ( which I doubt that He Did) perhaps I someone is indeed troubled to the point of being sick... well perhaps praying for those souls would Comfort the individual and the Lord would hear His prayer and be compassionate in Judgement and save That soul He has done a lot of favors for Men in the past , He has done a lot of favors for the men of the Bible and he answers Prayers Every Day! so Why shold a prayer for a dead soul be any different?
I've Had an answer to Prayer this very Day! My Son Who has estranged Himself from Our family for the past Five years has Finally contacted Us and this is an answer to prayer . He wants to let bygones be bygones and re establish a relationship with His Mother, Father, and His Sisters....Praise the Lord ! Halelluia Precious is His name in all the earth...God Bless You Stelow and all Who read this Thread...Especially Our Dear Brother Drewimus....Dave
I've Had an answer to Prayer this very Day! My Son Who has estranged Himself from Our family for the past Five years has Finally contacted Us and this is an answer to prayer . He wants to let bygones be bygones and re establish a relationship with His Mother, Father, and His Sisters....Praise the Lord ! Halelluia Precious is His name in all the earth...God Bless You Stelow and all Who read this Thread...Especially Our Dear Brother Drewimus....Dave
It seems to me that if God did not want man to suffer in hell He would not have created it. Nor would He have put the forbidden fruit in the middle of the garden looking as good as it did. Maybe He could have helped alittle by not creating the serpent that was hanging around with such a charming tongue. Unless I'm missing something the odds did seem awfully lopsided.
And here we are unable to overcome addiction, hate, envy, and whatever else we're unwilling to admit to with the readiness to believe that God would send some poor human to an eternal torment. Didn't God tell us that His ways are not our ways. He caused the fall to show mercy to all or let me qoute Paul from the kjv no less
"For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" Rom8:20,21
The Bible doesn't give us a sugar-coated answer to those who reject Christ. It's very plain, in fact. Those who deny the Son of the living God will go to hell. There's no if, ands, or buts about it.
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
I wanted to post something else here. I'm trusting that the OP has truly come to Christ in faith with a repentant heart. I have no reason to think your testimony about being saved is disingenuous so I wanted to add this. I believe it's important to take into consideration some serious passags in The Bible. Here are a few:
Ezekiel 18:23 - "Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"
Ezekiel 18:32 - "For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye."
Ezekiel 33:11 - "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"
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It's clear from these OT passages that the Lord doesn't want anyone to go to hell. Keep in mind that these are all taken from The Old Testament where slaughters took place continually in order for Israel to enter the promised land. In addition to the law that they went by as well, and the consequences of not following it. (though the OT people were saved by faith as we are today)
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I'm not going to get into the doctrine of eternal punishment because frankly, I don't think I'm qualified to answer that. All I know is that sometimes (in our sinful state as fallen human beings) we tend to lose track of the holiness of God. The Lord cannot even look on sin he is so holy. I'll just add one more thing before I post one last Bible verse - Just think of an afterlife where people who hate you for being a Christian and will readily kill you for your faith. Does it make sense if those people are going to live with us despite all that in the next life? There are consequences to sin. I tend to believe that not only (and most importantly) does God let people choose to send themselves to hell for HIS SAKE, but for our benefit as well.
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9
It's not that people are punished for their sins, I believe we are just cattle for some demonic aliens beings who colonized this planet eons ago, and these Christian do-gooders are here trying to free some of us from demonic enslavement, as the bible says, you were bought for a price, I something think they may actually mean this literally, you were BOUGHT with gold or something the aliens trade. If you think that sounds fantastic, remember the history of slavery in the United States, people bought the freedom of slaves. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Church ran for president in 1960, I think, on the platform of buying the freedom of the slaves, rather than going to war, can you imagine if they had done that instead of the horrible tragedy of the civil war, it would have been much, much cheaper, economicly, not to mention the Civil War was the country's bloodiest war ever, more Americans died in the Civil War, than all the United state's other wars combined, and that doesn't even count all the amputees, in the civil war, they just cut your arm or leg off if you got shot there.
It seems to me that if God did not want man to suffer in hell He would not have created it. Nor would He have put the forbidden fruit in the middle of the garden looking as good as it did. Maybe He could have helped alittle by not creating the serpent that was hanging around with such a charming tongue. Unless I'm missing something the odds did seem awfully lopsided.
And here we are unable to overcome addiction, hate, envy, and whatever else we're unwilling to admit to with the readiness to believe that God would send some poor human to an eternal torment. Didn't God tell us that His ways are not our ways. He caused the fall to show mercy to all or let me qoute Paul from the kjv no less
"For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" Rom8:20,21
I must agree. Thank you for being straight-forward. The answer to my question is yes, God sends people to eternal hellfire. This encompasses more than 2/3 of the human population. And to those who are saying it's not God but the people themselves, doesn't God have the power to save anyone he wants? If I had the power, I wouldn't let anyone suffer forever, no matter what they did. Can anyone here say that (cruelest, most godless person here) deserves to suffer forever? I'm not asking you to answer for God, I'm simply asking if anyone would let another person receive tremendous pain and suffering all day and all night forever?
No ! an emphatic No! I'm a softee I don't like to see folks suffer and I don't like to see Creatures suffer I don't like to even hear of suffering for any of God's Creatures both in the past , Present or Future....But I cant change God's Future Only He can ...So even If it says that all unsaved souls Will go to Hell, pray anyway for the Lost in the past and the Present and the Future. Perhaps Our Loving God will have compassion and Change His Mind.... Perhaps He will change His Mind If enough of His Chidren Really care for the Unsaved and get on their Knees and Pray , Pray like they never did Before... Then Maybe with His Love for us He will change His Mind... That is all We can Do is Pray for those Who have passed on. We still have to pray for all the Living now and those yet to Come.... Find solice in that Brother Because We have run out of any More answers that You can accept....We love You in the Lord and We will Pray for You and Your concern, which should also be our concern, God Bless You again Drewimus, and don't let Go of Your Faith....Dave
Well One thing is For sure My Brother Stelow! I don't even want to chance it do You? Besides I know that My God is not a Liar and if He says what is in the Scriptures are True as the word is True...Then that's all I need, I need not fear The second death, I have Been redeemed ..........We all have relatives We loved dearly, We all Have friends We love Dearly, and We are Like Jesus, In that We desire not a single one to suffer this second death. and We will try our level Best to lead Our loved ones to a saving knowledge of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As for the ones who have passed away, well , I guess that is in God's hands completely now. unless We are able to Pray that they be Saved, but there is nothing in the word that indicates that we can Pray a soul into Heaven But in case that the Lord left that part out of His word ( which I doubt that He Did) perhaps I someone is indeed troubled to the point of being sick... well perhaps praying for those souls would Comfort the individual and the Lord would hear His prayer and be compassionate in Judgement and save That soul He has done a lot of favors for Men in the past , He has done a lot of favors for the men of the Bible and he answers Prayers Every Day! so Why shold a prayer for a dead soul be any different?
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