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Originally Posted by Godschild87 View Post
Jesus did not do away with the rules in the OT, but fulfilled their requirements. Also, it is the principles behind those rules that is important, not the rules themselves in the first place.
Could you show me where in the OT it says that when the Messiah comes that he would do away with all the laws?
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Originally Posted by keith99 View Post
Garbage. Simplistic one size fits all answers are rarely right. Depending on the society and the slave in question freeing a slave can be anything from a great boon to a sentence of a slow death.

Simply freeing a slave who has no skills into a society that will despise him is a cruel act.
Ah, so it was immoral to free the slaves in the 1800's? That is what you are saying these people were doing the same kind of work that slaves have always been doing.
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Originally Posted by underpressure View Post
Okay, you're all bleating incoherent nonsense to me, maybe I'm just being thick.

Can you just explain, in as simple terms as possible, why wearing clothes of mixed materials, eating shellfish, approaching women who are on their period are okay for Christians, and homosexuality isn't. I'm a bit confused.
Because these laws are inconvenient and bothersome…therefore its obvious God doesn’t want Christians to follow them. Meanwhile it is terribly convenient to misuse a law form the same book as the laws being ignored (fulfilled) to condemn an entire minority and prop up ones personal prejudices that is why
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Originally Posted by BigBadWlf View Post
Technically fulfilled means ignore any OT laws you find inconvenient .
My bad.
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Originally Posted by Godschild87 View Post
Yes, quite easily. The laws are specific to that culture at that time, but the principles behind the laws apply to everyone. This means that any laws that are reiterated n the New Testament, like against homosexual sex (not homosexuality as a whole, just the act), have principles that include the action, not just the principle. Like 'do not murder'. It's not enough to just not kill people, one should be at harmony with people also.

Jesus came and died, eliminating the need for the laws that refer to sacrifices and offerings: Jesus WAS the sacrifice and offering. Peter, in Acts 10, got a vision telling him not to consider unclean that which God has cleansed: in short, the ceremonial laws of the OT are also fulfilled. My guess is that they were cleansed by Jesus' blood as well.
Ceremonial laws….could you please cite chapter and verse from Leviticus detailing what laws are “ceremonial” and what laws are “other”?
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Originally Posted by TerranceL View Post
Could you show me where in the OT it says that when the Messiah comes that he would do away with all the laws?
Did you read the post you quoted? Or the verse reference? I don't like repeating myself.
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Originally Posted by levi501 View Post
Where does it say that once the messiah fulfils the law people no longer have to follow it?
Matthew 5.
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Originally Posted by BigBadWlf View Post
You seem to be engaging in revisionist history

Do tell.


It also condemns the eating of shellfish
And the wearing of clothes made of two fabrics
And shaving
And getting your hair cut
And wearing wedding rings
Please follow along with the conversation before you bring up the old issue of OT laws.
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Originally Posted by BigBadWlf View Post
Technically fulfilled means ignore any OT laws you find inconvenient .
Stick to the issue, please.
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Originally Posted by BigBadWlf View Post
Ceremonial laws….could you please cite chapter and verse from Leviticus detailing what laws are “ceremonial” and what laws are “other”?
Why does the Bible need to create the category for it to exist?
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