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Old 3rd November 2009, 03:25 AM
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Are Americans morally responsible...

for people in other countries who are harmed or killed by the use of their tax dollars? As an American it seems like my country is warring in other parts of the world. It is doing this in part from taxes I pay. Am I and my countrymen responsible for kids and old people that my countrie's military blows up or shoots accidentally?
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Old 3rd November 2009, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Autumnleaf View Post
for people in other countries who are harmed or killed by the use of their tax dollars? As an American it seems like my country is warring in other parts of the world. It is doing this in part from taxes I pay. Am I and my countrymen responsible for kids and old people that my countrie's military blows up or shoots accidentally?
Your income tax goes DIRECTLY to paying interest on debt. That has been the case for MANY years now. Our government (and war effort) is financed via accumulating debt.

But...to answer your question...NO...we are not responsible. We are not their enemy...our Millitary Industrial Complex is their enemy. The NWO is their enemy. Don't worry though...Obama will fix everything....NOT!

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You're not morally responsible for it. Though it's your tax dollars that fund it, you have no direct say in how it's spent. If your government acts immorally, then the ethical dilemma falls to your senators and your governors.

That said, it's your government, and it is behaving unethically. Obama is, I think, a good influence, but you have something of an obligation to give it a kick in the backside. Maybe not a moral requirement, but certainly a societal duty.
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Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child View Post
You're not morally responsible for it. Though it's your tax dollars that fund it, you have no direct say in how it's spent. If your government acts immorally, then the ethical dilemma falls to your senators and your governors.

That said, it's your government, and it is behaving unethically. Obama is, I think, a good influence, but you have something of an obligation to give it a kick in the backside. Maybe not a moral requirement, but certainly a societal duty.
Obama is the leader of our military and our military is fighting undeclared wars against two countries. Obama could have stopped the wars his first day in office. He did not, nor has he done anything that looks like he will. He is continuing with what Bush put in motion. But he is black and he sure speaks pretty so we probably should not call him a warmonger like we did Bush.
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Originally Posted by Autumnleaf View Post
Obama is the leader of our military and our military is fighting undeclared wars against two countries. Obama could have stopped the wars his first day in office. He did not, nor has he done anything that looks like he will. He is continuing with what Bush put in motion. But he is black and he sure speaks pretty so we probably should not call him a warmonger like we did Bush.
He's going to increase the # of troops in Afgahnistan....

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Originally Posted by Autumnleaf View Post
for people in other countries who are harmed or killed by the use of their tax dollars? As an American it seems like my country is warring in other parts of the world. It is doing this in part from taxes I pay. Am I and my countrymen responsible for kids and old people that my countrie's military blows up or shoots accidentally?
The tax dollars aren't the problem - it's who you vote for. Okay, maybe I'm overemphasizing the significance of democratic elections here, as the public image of parliamentary democracies has very little in common with the actual power dynamics behind the screen. The voter's power is laughable compared to the influence exerted by big businesses and their lobbyists.
But THEIR power, in turn, is influenced by your shopping behaviour, and your energy consumption.
So: shop responsibly. Don't send the multi-nationals the signal that outsourcing their production facilities to sweat shops in third-world countries is perfectly acceptable, or that stowing away their profits in tax havens is the way to go.
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You are responsible for your vote - vote for the party you believe to do right. If you belive none are capable of doing right, vote no confidence by voiding your ballot paper.

The problem for Obama as it stands is that Iraq and Afghanistan have had their governments overthrown and if the troops currently in there are pulled out immediately, the countries aren't magically going to choose to become democratic - The rule of the country will fall to whoever has the biggest weapons and can convince the most people God is on his side.
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Obama is the leader of our military and our military is fighting undeclared wars against two countries. Obama could have stopped the wars his first day in office. He did not, nor has he done anything that looks like he will. He is continuing with what Bush put in motion. But he is black and he sure speaks pretty so we probably should not call him a warmonger like we did Bush.
Yes. Because it's that simple.
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You're not morally responsible for it. Though it's your tax dollars that fund it, you have no direct say in how it's spent. If your government acts immorally, then the ethical dilemma falls to your senators and your governors.

That said, it's your government, and it is behaving unethically. Obama is, I think, a good influence, but you have something of an obligation to give it a kick in the backside. Maybe not a moral requirement, but certainly a societal duty.
how does one give it a kick in the backside?
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how does one give it a kick in the backside?
The Russians managed it at Red October (вива ла революция!). I'm not suggesting something that drastic, but it can certainly be done. In essence, let your government know that there is a problem.
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