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Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff View Post
Basically, all you need to know is that "Embedded Age" is really AV-speak for the Omphalos hypothesis.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Like I said, Omphalos hypothesis.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Fossils show history along with chines writings at that where found to be 8000 years old, so again your back to using Embedded age as another type of Omphalos argument.
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Originally Posted by MoonLancer View Post
Fossils show history...
And I'm not open to taking history lessons from dead fossils; especially if they contradict the Bible.
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... along with chines writings at that where found to be 8000 years old...
Do you believe everything China tells you?

Or just what China says that contradicts the Scriptures?
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...so again your back to using Embedded age as another type of Omphalos argument.
Keep that up --- I actually like it.

You guys can't tell the difference between Embedded Age and Omphalos --- even when I show the difference.

Then later, what do you guys do?

You complain when someone doesn't respect the difference between abiogenesis and evolution.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
You guys can't tell the difference between Embedded Age and Omphalos --- even when I show the difference.
From what I've read, it's you who are confused

Repeating your magic mantra...

Embedded age = maturity without history
Embedded history = maturity with history

Chirrup chirrup
...again and again does not explain the difference. Embedded age IS the young earth creationist's Omphalos.

Originally Posted by AV1611VET
Then later, what do you guys do?

You complain when someone doesn't respect the difference between abiogenesis and evolution.
This is avoidance tactics. Scientists do not make stuff up, so they can't tell you about what they don't know. This is in sharp contrast to most creationist output, where practically anything can be dreamt up and made into pseudo-religious dogma. That's easy - science is hard.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
And I'm not open to taking history lessons from dead fossils; especially if they contradict the Bible.
So, you choose to believe a book over reality.

Why even try to debate or discuss with people? You're not open to having your beliefs changed or the possibility of being wrong. You're intellectually atrophied.
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Originally Posted by sandwiches View Post
So, you choose to believe a book over reality.

Why even try to debate or discuss with people? You're not open to having your beliefs changed or the possibility of being wrong. You're intellectually atrophied.
"intellectually atrophied", I like that.

Also, keep in mind you're discussing something with a guy who once claimed that if the original Bible texts disagreed with the KJV translation, then the original Bible texts were wrong.
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Originally Posted by Mike Elphick View Post
Embedded age IS the young earth creationist's Omphalos.
No, it's not, Mike.

Young Earth Creationists do not believe in Embedded Age.

They believe the earth is only 6100 years old physically (YECs, please correct me if I'm wrong).

And although I'm about two pixels away from being a YEC myself, I still maintain a difference.
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So, you choose to believe a book over reality.
If by 'book', you mean the Bible, yes.

That's what the Bible says It does: generates faith in God's Word.
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Why even try to debate or discuss with people? You're not open to having your beliefs changed or the possibility of being wrong.
That question could apply to almost every person here.
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You're intellectually atrophied.
I've got to have an intellect first, before it can atrophy ---
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