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4th November 2009, 06:15 PM
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I am saying that according to your idea of embedded age, god 'aged' the world to make it look like it is 4.54 billions year old. |
4th November 2009, 06:23 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by sandwiches I am saying that according to your idea of embedded age, god 'aged' the world to make it look like it is 4.54 billions year old.
And here someone was just telling me that anyone can understand embedded age.
When I called him out on it, he "hung up on me."
Your explanation uses wording that can be (and I suspect is) confusing.
Are you saying that God created the earth, then advanced its age --- (a two-step process)?
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4th November 2009, 06:31 PM
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Reps: 142,567,785,179,653,616 (power: 142,567,785,179,661) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET And here someone was just telling me that anyone can understand embedded age.
When I called him out on it, he "hung up on me."
Hung up on you? I guess making sense isn't needed when you're defending your embedded age idea, huh? Originally Posted by AV1611VET Your explanation uses wording that can be (and I suspect is) confusing.
Are you saying that God created the earth, then advanced its age --- (a two-step process)?
This is the definition you've given us:
" Maturity without history."
Doesn't make much sense and your wording appears much more confusing than simply stating what you mean, but I guess obfuscation of the real meaning is the point here. If you mean something other than what I said, which is the earth appears to have been aged without actually having aged, then explain.
Is the Earth 4.54 billion years old, yes or no?
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4th November 2009, 07:14 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by sandwiches Is the Earth 4.54 billion years old, yes or no?
Yes.
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4th November 2009, 07:18 PM
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Great. Now, can you elaborate "maturity without history" by explaining the meanings of the words "maturity" and "history" in your context? |
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No, thanks --- use a dictionary.
Embedded Age is simple enough.
It is maturity without history, and the best example is Adam, himself.
Fully-mature, yet created in an instant.
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4th November 2009, 07:33 PM
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Reps: 142,567,785,179,653,616 (power: 142,567,785,179,661) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET No, thanks --- use a dictionary.
Embedded Age is simple enough.
It is maturity without history, and the best example is Adam, himself.
Fully-mature, yet created in an instant.
Allright. I'll use the dictionary definitions. I was trying to avoid the almost inevitable semantics and word games, is all. And, so, the earth was created, in an instant, at the age it appears too be now.
What is you Biblical support for this idea?
Edit: And another question, if you believe in a long-lived earth, do you believe in evolution? You may have answered that in the past, but I haven't been on the forums in a while. |
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by sandwiches Allright. I'll use the dictionary definitions. I was trying to avoid the almost inevitable semantics and word games, is all. And, so, the earth was created, in an instant, at the age it appears too be now.
What is you Biblical support for this idea?
2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old...
The earth was created 6100 years ago, as a 4.57 billion-year-old object.
Just like Adam was created as a 30-year-old man. Originally Posted by sandwiches Edit: And another question, if you believe in a long-lived earth, do you believe in evolution?
To a point.
I believe in adaptation, a.k.a. micro-evolution. Originally Posted by sandwiches You may have answered that in the past, but I haven't been on the forums in a while.
I could QV your questions to death, but I believe you're being up front with me, so I'll repeat my answers.
I have a feeling others try to trip me up by getting me to answer the same question with a different answer.
Then they'll QV me with my own contradiction.
But I disappoint them when I qv my answers; and some have even told me they will not read any of my QVs.
And I don't blame them, if their intent is to trip me up.
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4th November 2009, 08:25 PM
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Reps: 142,567,785,179,653,616 (power: 142,567,785,179,661) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET 2 Peter 3:5aThe earth was created 6100 years ago, as a 4.57 billion-year-old object.
Just like Adam was created as a 30-year-old man.To a point.
I generally don't get into Biblical discussions due to the many possible readings one passage can have and although it's clear this passage has had many different translations, it seemed interesting enough that I gave it a shot. I gave that passage a quick reading in one Greek and one Latin version and the passage says something that is a bit less... adorned and more straightforward and clear:
"These voluntarily ignore that in old times were the heavens and earth made of water and by God's word from water they subsist."
This has a whole different meaning. Now, why did I open this can of worms? Well, I guess it just seemed interesting, like I said. So, don't mind me and my amateur readings.  Originally Posted by AV1611VET I believe in adaptation, a.k.a. micro-evolution.I could QV your questions to death, but I believe you're being up front with me, so I'll repeat my answers.
I have a feeling others try to trip me up by getting me to answer the same question with a different answer.
They they'll QV me with my own contradiction.
But I disappoint them when I qv my answers; and some have even told me they will not read any of my QVs.
And I don't blame them, if their intent is to trip me up.
I was being honest, and possibly lazy. At any rate, I'm assuming that you believe that all living organisms were made to appear as though they had evolved then?
Oh and I don't know what QV means. I figured it had something to do with quoting but I'm not sure.  |
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by sandwiches Great. Now, can you elaborate "maturity without history" by explaining the meanings of the words "maturity" and "history" in your context?
Basically, all you need to know is that "Embedded Age" is really AV-speak for the Omphalos hypothesis.
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