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Demons and a herd of swine.

On Sunday I went to Church and the Gospel reading for the day was Matthew 8: 28-34* which discussed Christs visit to the Gergesenes and his casting out of demons into the herd of swine. The Priest commenting on this verse referenced a writing of St Velimirovich in which he urges us not to judge the Gergesenes to harshly or they would rise up and accuse us for our own sins. That we too often place material goods (our swine) before the well being of our neighbor. He asks "and who among us wouldn't kill his neighbor if he thought he could gain 2,000 swine out of the deal" (paraphrasing from memory here sorry) ? The sermon was very poignant and made a great impact on me.

Later when I went to bed I had a variety of troubling dreams most of them I couldn't remember on awakening but one which I remember very vividly.

In this dream I was sitting in the basement of my house with a women I didn't know. She told me if I called one of her friends he could help me get in contact with a place I could find some work at ( I'm laid off and have been searching for a job). I called the guy and he came over. To make a long story short and to leave out some of the minor and probably pointless details I will just say that he tried to walk off with my computer and IPOD. When I learned that this was happening I was filled with a murderous rage. I ran and got the rifle under my . I knew it had a trigger lock on it and the ammo was stored separately and that he would be gone before I could get it ready. because of that I resolved then to club the guy to death with the rifle rather then shoot him. When i walked up stairs I saw him set both the computer and the Ipod on the kitchen table. He made some lame excuse as to why he had it there that I didn't really believe but the rage left me and I made it appear like I bought his story because I felt mercy for him... then he left. Two other people that were in the kitchen with me told me I was stupid to buy the story and that I should call the police or make him pay for what he did. Then I woke up.

Looking back at the dream I've come to the conclusion that my computer and my ipod are my own "swine" that I tend to value even above the happiness and well being of my neighbors. The rage I felt in the dream over the theft shed light on my over-attachment to them.

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28And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
30And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
31So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
32And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
33And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils. 34And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts.
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Old 5th November 2009, 02:42 AM
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That we too often place material goods (our swine) before the well being of our neighbor.
I like that added insight to the story. Preachers usually talk about the swine being unclean, almost as though Jesus was killing two birds with one stone. But there was a sad farmer that day, who lost his herd! (What is a group of swine called? A mound?)

Your dream does point out a strong attachment to the equipment -- computers tend to be a lifeline for us these days. I'm sure we would all react the same way.

Being laid off brings so much uncertainty, and it is known to bring unnecessary guilt.



In this dream I was sitting in the basement of my house
An inner sanctum you don't usually allow people to enter. Not necessarily a refuge for you, but a place to store things you don't think of or need often. Or to hide what doesn't need to be seen by the public and friends.

with a women I didn't know. She told me if I called one of her friends he could help me get in contact with a place I could find some work at ( I'm laid off and have been searching for a job).
A friendly offer for assistance and relief. You were probably delighted that you didn't need to rely completely on your own strength. In a dream, that might be a little release -- your brain reminding itself there are other ways out of the dilemma.

I called the guy and he came over.

You took initiative and accepted outside help, despite risks of unknowns.

To make a long story short and to leave out some of the minor and probably pointless details I will just say that he tried to walk off with my computer and IPOD.

You trusted someone who claimed to help, and he took the only tools you had that would help you get ahead, help you apply for jobs. It was not just a painting or silver set that he took, but something that had almost become a part of you.

In the swine story, the pigs were a part of the farmer. They had not made him money yet, but he had invested a lot in them, so his family's future would be stable. (Hopefully there were pigs floating in the sea he could gather back up.)

When I learned that this was happening I was filled with a murderous rage.

Sorry to analyze, when you already had your interpretation written out. This might have been your brain taking its opportunity to not be so decent about unemployment, since displaying this in public is so counter-productive.

It could also show insight to a larger problem going on in the world, where people's core resources and lifelines are taken away, and they rise up to get them back. It could be an opportunity for prayer for them.

I ran and got the rifle under my . I knew it had a trigger lock on it and the ammo was stored seperatly and that he would be gone before I could get it ready. because of that I resolved then to club the guy to death with the rifle rather then shoot him.

If this were my dream, it would be my attempt to be less directly violent, not so blatant and defined. But in truth it is more violent, less targeted. Clubbing allows a person to vent more, but also incurs sloppy peripheral damage. And as you say, your rifle was not ready to shoot.

This makes me think the dream might be about more than your state of life, but symbolic of people whose recourse has been disabled. When they rise up to take a stand against their rights and property being taken from them, they have no method of action in place, even though they had secured that long ago.


When i walked up stairs
Ascending... effort
I saw him set both the computer and the Ipod on the kitchen table.
A place where resources are shared with an invited group.
Think of UN, EU, WHO, World Bank, denominations, etc. Your computer and IPOD can represent technology in general, not just possessions.

He made some lame excuse as to why he had it there that I didn't really believe but the rage left me and I made it appear like I bought his story because I felt mercy for him... then he left.

The equipment ended up back in your hands -- that's a good thing. But your ownership of it had been violated. Your trust level and sense of security would not be the same.

Two other people that were in the kitchen with me told me I was stupid to buy the story
You had chosen to not overreact, but to encourage peace. Your self-restraint kept things at a safe level, but others wanted you to stir up additional trouble. You could have.

and that I should call the police or make him pay for what he did.
Others that could have participated in the theft had chosen not to, and defended your rights. They did not go after him themselves, but encouraged you to.

Then I woke up.

God's voice is full of parallels. Jesus speaks in parables. Messages in our dreams often start with what we recognize and feel, and are applied to situations we don't completely understand. God can shed light on a subject through emotion, so we don't just understand the facts, but understand the pain.


I have not checked the news on Sri Lanka lately, but it's worth praying for the people there. Even if your dream was about loving your computer.

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Heron,

Thank you for responding in depth to my post. You brought to my attention a good deal of things that I would most likely have never deduced on my own.

Your dream does point out a strong attachment to the equipment -- computers tend to be a lifeline for us these days. I'm sure we would all react the same way.
I know I have a sick attachment to my computer. I spend way too much time on it. It was scary to feel such absolute hate for another person over its theft though... even if it was just a dream. I didn't know I was THAT crazy over my computer.

God's voice is full of parallels. Jesus speaks in parables. Messages in our dreams often start with what we recognize and feel, and are applied to situations we don't completely understand. God can shed light on a subject through emotion, so we don't just understand the facts, but understand the pain.
Thank you again for posting that.

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I didn't know I was THAT crazy over my computer.
Lol, I suppose my motivation for breaking down parts of the dream, was to cover for my own addiction. (-; I am a cyber-enabler.
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