The opinion of every human is an opinion inherently rooted in subjectivity. Only a human tyrant would try to convince you otherwise.
What do you mean by that? Human tyrants rule by objective thought?
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-Ayn Rand
What do you mean by that? Human tyrants rule by objective thought?
No, rather they will attempt to convince you that there exists an objective opinion: their own, that they glean from reality or divine means due to their special abilities and skills. Their thought is no more objective than yours or mine.
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-Dziga Vertov
"If a person possesses any tolerable amount of common sense and experience, his own mode of laying out his existence is the best, not because it is the best in itself, but because it is his own mode. Human beings are not like sheep; and even sheep are not undistinguishably alike. A man cannot get a coat or a pair of boots to fit him, unless they are either made to his measure, or he has a whole warehouseful to choose from: and is it easier to fit him with a life than with a coat, or are human beings more like one another in their whole physical and spiritual conformation than in the shape of their feet?"
No, rather they will attempt to convince you that there exists an objective opinion: their own, that they glean from reality or divine means due to their special abilities and skills. Their thought is no more objective than yours or mine.
I agree with you when it comes to the 'divine' or other supernatural forms of knowledge, but with respect to reality, there is an objective reality from which we derive facts and form opinions. I cant think of a tyrant who appealed to reality to enforce his tyranny. There is no reading of objective law that I can think of that justifies one man or group of men tyrannizing another.
__________________ The precept: “Judge not, that ye be not judged” . . . is an abdication of moral responsibility: it is a moral blank check one gives to others in exchange for a moral blank check one expects for oneself. . .The moral principle to adopt in this issue, is: “Judge, and be prepared to be judged.”
-Ayn Rand
I agree with you when it comes to the 'divine' or other supernatural forms of knowledge, but with respect to reality, there is an objective reality from which we derive facts and form opinions.
There is indeed an objective reality, but I believe it is outside of the realm of human capacity to access it in an objective manner and, hence, form objective opinions. We view even the simplest of things through the subjective lens we find pulled over our eyes, by which I talk, of course, of our experiences and perceptions and it is through this lens that facts, and hence opinions, become filtered and diffused.
The human being is a subjective item in and of itself, of which there exists no perfect form or ideal type. I do not see how such a being, different from all others in reason and in rhyme, can be expected to engage with a given reality in an objective manner. The best we can do is seek to empiricise reality, but such a method provides no objective answer for those areas which escape empirical analysis (and even then, such answers are not always accepted).
I cant think of a tyrant who appealed to reality to enforce his tyranny. There is no reading of objective law that I can think of that justifies one man or group of men tyrannizing another.
The tyrant does not appeal to reality as the objective "item" per se, but rather his opinion of that reality as objective in itself. The former would, as you say, be a pretty bizarre form of tyranny; the latter enthralls one to a human leader, placing him either as God or as the font of reality itself I suppose, depending on whether you buy into a theistic view.
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"I am an eye. I am a mechanical eye. I, a machine, I am showing you a world, the likes of which only I can see"
-Dziga Vertov
"If a person possesses any tolerable amount of common sense and experience, his own mode of laying out his existence is the best, not because it is the best in itself, but because it is his own mode. Human beings are not like sheep; and even sheep are not undistinguishably alike. A man cannot get a coat or a pair of boots to fit him, unless they are either made to his measure, or he has a whole warehouseful to choose from: and is it easier to fit him with a life than with a coat, or are human beings more like one another in their whole physical and spiritual conformation than in the shape of their feet?"
I find it ironic that a poster who argues that the government destroys everything that it touches INSISTS that the government and his religion be intertwined.
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It's a war that nobody ever wins, but a war that honest people never stop fighting.
No they aren't. They're a religious monument and don't belong on federal property.
Originally Posted by TerranceL
I find it ironic that a poster who argues that the government destroys everything that it touches INSISTS that the government and his religion be intertwined.
That's EXACTLY right!
Ringo
__________________ "As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797. Presented to Congress and signed by everyone in attendance.
"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.''
-- Madison's original proposal for the Bill of Rights
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I ain't afraid of your Allah
I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God"
-- 'I Ain't Afraid' by The Klezmatics
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*wanders off to place R2D2, an X-wing, 4 tie-fighters, and the firefly transport Serenity on the Christmas tree near a few angels and crosses. With reindeer, sleighs, and some old ornaments from my childhood years* and all below the star on top.
As our forefathers said self evident, but without the word of God directing us to which voice of conscience to follow we could be miss lead or subjective in our opinions!
Interesting as it's completely absent from the Constitution.
Originally Posted by cwolf20
*wanders off to place R2D2, an X-wing, 4 tie-fighters, and the firefly transport Serenity on the Christmas tree near a few angels and crosses. With reindeer, sleighs, and some old ornaments from my childhood years* and all below the star on top.
Ooooo cool! While I wouldn't be thrilled with it at city hall, I'd love to see what it looks like in your living room. Pic?
__________________ (The Library of Alexandria) questioned the permanence of the stars, but did not question the justice of slavery - Carl Sagan in Cosmos
First I have to buy the tree actually... but at least the image of what I want it to look like is already set.
Sounds like a neat Christmas tree. If you're inclined when you do get it up, share a photo.
__________________ (The Library of Alexandria) questioned the permanence of the stars, but did not question the justice of slavery - Carl Sagan in Cosmos
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