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3rd November 2009, 02:32 PM
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"who have faith" isn't English?
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3rd November 2009, 02:35 PM
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For through the grace given to me I say to every one among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgement, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
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3rd November 2009, 02:39 PM
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To you it has been given for Christ's sake, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.
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3rd November 2009, 02:41 PM
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Though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief, and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
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3rd November 2009, 02:43 PM
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Reps: 308,822,204,731,144,320 (power: 308,822,204,731,149) | | | Acts 18:27 "...the disciples to welcome him; and when he had arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace."
Heb 12:2 "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith"
Matt 16:16,17 "Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'' And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."
Acts 13:48 "When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."
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3rd November 2009, 03:26 PM
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Reps: 416,617,700,174,524,864 (power: 416,617,700,174,543) | | Originally Posted by Yab Yum "who have faith" isn't English?
The Bible was originally written in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, not English.
Originally Posted by Yab Yum Romans 12:3
For through the grace given to me I say to every one among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgement, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
Then why doesn't everyone believe?
Originally Posted by Yab Yum Philippians 1:29
To you it has been given for Christ's sake, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake.
That's talking about salvation, read the context.
Originally Posted by Yab Yum 1 Timothy 1:13-14
Though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief, and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
This isn't talking about faith as a gift, but grace and mercy as a gift.
Originally Posted by Yab Yum Acts 18:27 "...the disciples to welcome him; and when he had arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace."
With grace, not faith.
Heb 12:2 "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith"
Another English translation. It's talking about a leader, an example, a pioneer, not simply an author.
Matt 16:16,17 "Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'' And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."
Things being revealed to someone is not faith, that's belief.
Acts 13:48 "When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."
Etc.
Again, talking about predestination, not faith.
What do you hope to gain by taking a bunch of passages and trying to make them say something that they don't?
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3rd November 2009, 04:10 PM
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Reps: 124,582,378,884,127,696 (power: 124,582,378,884,134) | | Originally Posted by elman Jesus came as a man just like the rest of us and Adam and Eve is allegorical. Adam is everyman. We are all born spiritually alive and then like Adam we fail to love others--obey God and become spiritually death. We kill our own soul with our own sin. Ezekiel 18. Like Adam we are then spiritually dead but physcially alive and if we are to be recreated spiritually we must turn from wickedness to righteousness and allow God to reconnect us with life. Jesus taught about this as being born again. “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…” so if you accept God’s forgiveness of your huge debt of sin, how can you keep from at least initially Loving much? With forgiveness of sin comes Love and eternal life. It is only over time that we can refuse the gift and give it back, but God is not a native American giver and will take it back from us. |
3rd November 2009, 04:17 PM
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Reps: 124,582,378,884,127,696 (power: 124,582,378,884,134) | | Originally Posted by Emmy Dear bling. God DID COME to us in Christ, and what did we do?? God`s Plan to save Mankind is FOOLPROOF, only we cannot grasp it. I say this humbly and with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ. God is doing and has done all He can to get us to accept His Love, but God will not force His Love on us or that would not be Godly type Love. All we have to do is accept God’s Love in the form of forgiveness (the easiest way to get God’s Love), but that requires faith that produces humility which allows us to overcome our pride and accept charity (an undeserving gift). |
3rd November 2009, 04:22 PM
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3rd November 2009, 04:40 PM
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those words aren't contradictory?
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But this I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the LORD never ceases;
His mercies never come to an end;
They are new every morning;
Great is Your faithfulness.
Lamentations 3:21-23
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