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Jesus did not overwheim people with His presence, so why could not God come to us as Christ?
Jesus came as a man just like the rest of us and Adam and Eve is allegorical. Adam is everyman. We are all born spiritually alive and then like Adam we fail to love others--obey God and become spiritually death. We kill our own soul with our own sin. Ezekiel 18. Like Adam we are then spiritually dead but physcially alive and if we are to be recreated spiritually we must turn from wickedness to righteousness and allow God to reconnect us with life. Jesus taught about this as being born again.
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3rd November 2009, 11:23 AM
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3rd November 2009, 11:39 AM
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3rd November 2009, 12:06 PM
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Oh? Then why are we told to have faith? Why is faith talked about as belonging to the individual person, ie. Abraham's faith?
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dir="ltr"> "Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...
But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.
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3rd November 2009, 12:38 PM
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Galatians 3:7-9
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And a if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
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3rd November 2009, 12:43 PM
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Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And a if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
That does not have anything to do with faith being a gift.
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dir="ltr"> "Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...
But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.
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Why does it say "of" faith instead of "have" faith?
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3rd November 2009, 12:48 PM
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John 6:65
No one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the Father.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me.
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Because it's an English translation.
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dir="ltr"> "Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...
But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.
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Reps: 416,617,700,174,524,864 (power: 416,617,700,174,543) | | Originally Posted by Yab Yum John 6:65
No one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the Father.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me.
This isn't about predestination, it's about whether or not faith is a gift. Not grace, not mercy, not forgiveness: faith.
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dir="ltr"> "Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...
But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.
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