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Old 2nd November 2009, 10:40 PM
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I watch that show UFO hunters on the History channel a lot. I've noticed that some of the UFO encounters do seem very similar to stories told by the Saints and Fathers of the Church about demonic attacks or communications. I highly doubt they could ALL be chalked up to that though. Many of them seem like they could easily be sightings of black project aircraft , misidentification's of meteorological , and strange natural occurrences, or even elaborate hoaxes being perpetrated on people.
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Old 2nd November 2009, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cherokeehippie View Post
Well, yeah, these groups do exist and they are all workig for one thing..the New World Order...the one world gov of an antichrist and to kill off most of the population. But they're not gonna win!! YESHUA!!! THE LORD Is gonna win and those of us blood bought Redeemed of the LORD are going to reign with HIM!
The "New World Order" does not exist except in your imagination. I have heard this a thousand times usually wrapped up around a 1000 conspiracy theories. The truth is none of this is real, there is no "one world government" and IF aliens do exist they will help our society by introducing us to new technologies that will transform our world (for the better).
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Originally Posted by jpark43 View Post
God only created angels, animals, and humans. A demon is a fallen angel.
Obviously that's not true. Trees, plants, water, planets, galaxies, etc, etc, etc, etc. And those are just a few of the things it mentions God having created. But where exactly does it say God only created humans, angels, and animals? Or are we taking the narrow view of scripture and assuming because it doesn't specifically say God created other forms of life He didn't? In other words had God created alien life forms it would say somewhere in scripture "On the X day God created an alien race"?

We know God created the heavens and the earth but we have no idea what those heavens consist of. Scripture doesn't catalog and detail every single planetary body in the heavens. I'll agree that there is only one human race, one planet of sons of daughters but that doesn't preclude alien life forms.
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There is one God, one Son, one devil, one fall in Heaven, one fall on Earth, one plan for His people from before the creation (1 Cor 2), and one redemption.

Even those created before us, the angels, will be judged by us (1 Cor 6:3). We are the top of all His creation because we are created in His own image.

If there are to be other created beings, we will be the kings and priests over them. Until then, these 'others' are impersonators.





Wow. That's a humbling thought. That God would ever justify and glorify a wretched man like me. I could never deserve such a thing on my own.

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
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I remember my grandmother (who was wife of my grandfather who worked at White Sands) telling me that she believed that a lof of ufos were mostly black ops gov. type craft...She also believed that a lot of experiemental abuse..use of chemicals, radiation experiementations, etc on people, etc occurred at White Sands...She did not think highly of the gov.
I'll have to say this...personally, these things...conspiracy, one world gov, luciferian and nazi involvment behind the scenes is only for me confirmation of scripture...that we are in the last days and that there is going to be an antichrist and one world gov. If one does not believe these things...then...to me...they are sleeping when they should be awake for the Bridegroom (Jesus!) return!
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Originally Posted by FaultySurplus View Post
There is one God, one Son, one devil, one fall in Heaven, one fall on Earth, one plan for His people from before the creation (1 Cor 2), and one redemption.

Even those created before us, the angels, will be judged by us (1 Cor 6:3). We are the top of all His creation because we are created in His own image.

If there are to be other created beings, we will be the kings and priests over them. Until then, these 'others' are impersonators.

Wow. That's a humbling thought. That God would ever justify and glorify a wretched man like me. I could never deserve such a thing on my own.

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."


Really, there is simply no vacant space to be filled by extra-terrestrial creatures other than those already found in scripture.

The story of creation, life centred on earth and the children of God, the fall and redemption, the new heavens and new earth...leaves no nook or cranny for something extra to be slotted in.

UFO/alien encounters are an appearance of some kind with an explanation that will fit with God's own description and explanation of life.

Therefore they must be either illusions, hallucinations, imaginations or deceptions of some kind.

Sometimes, as human beings, what we think we see is not in fact what we think it is. We don't know everything or interpret everything corectly.
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Really, there is simply no vacant space to be filled by extra-terrestrial creatures other than those already found in scripture.

The story of creation, life centred on earth and the children of God, the fall and redemption, the new heavens and new earth...leaves no nook or cranny for something extra to be slotted in.

UFO/alien encounters are an appearance of some kind with an explanation that will fit with God's own description and explanation of life.

Therefore they must be either illusions, hallucinations, imaginations or deceptions of some kind.

Sometimes, as human beings, what we think we see is not in fact what we think it is. We don't know everything or interpret everything corectly.
Strangely enough that part of your post sticks out to me.

Fact is that no one really knows for sure one way or another if aliens exist. Personally for me it doesn't matter either way. It doesn't change a single thing if they do or don't exist. For some it might make a huge difference.
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Wow ... the arrogance in this thread.
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Originally Posted by AirForceTeacher View Post
Wow ... the arrogance in this thread.
Why you don't think that God created all 356.8179 X 10^78 Cubic Light-years of Visible space just for us?
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And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.
Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."


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