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2nd November 2009, 11:43 AM
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Reps: 9,824,571,865,200,960 (power: 0) | | [quote=canukian;53390781] Originally Posted by peadar1987 
No, it is against the law for US Soldiers to do it, and quite rightly, too. They are an occupying force, imagine the resentment that would go around were the soldiers to start trying to convert the locals. As far as I know there is no law against an NGO trying to convert Muslims.
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you would have to be a hopless idiot, may be even a very smart one, to not see the terrible persecution that happens to non muslims in muslim counties. google persection in muslim counries.
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I know all about the terrible things that have gone on in many majority Islam countries. I have never contested that. I am challenging your argument that all Muslims are evil because some Muslims do bad things. Originally Posted by canukian you are the slow one here. my point is that christianity has evolved. islam still is faithfull to muhamud and has sex slaves
Sex slaves in Asia
You link didn't work. And my friends Ali and Rekel must have hidden their sex slaves when I went round to their houses to have dinner with them (Halal food can be really nice!). You seem to be confusing "a tiny minority of Muslims" with "everyone Islamic". Originally Posted by canukian i propose we send all our people like you to them, boy theyll be sorry. muslims need to be free to chose as god wants.
All people who don't think Muslims are evil? Okay, I could make some new friends. Originally Posted by canukian muslims have islam forced on them. they are forced. they do not have freedom of choise as god wants, and as we have here. our freedom is precious and will soon be squandered by the likes of you. you would do well in a muslim country, once you converted. a natural.
What about my friends who were born into Muslim families, and have since become agnostics? Their parents are a little disappointed. Seems like a funny way of having Islam forced upon them! Originally Posted by canukian got the point. i have never heard you have anything good to say about the christian based west wence comes your right to critizise the west. on the other hand you defend the religion that spawns about the worst countries on earth. muslims in these muslims countries have zero religious freedom, (the penalty for aposty is death) and non muslims are put under terrible pressure to convert to islam. this is the intolerance you constantly defendand. the source of freedom you have you attack.
On the contrary, I have plenty good to say about the West. I just don't get much of a chance to say it when I'm countering bigoted posts from you about a diverse and fascinating religion you claim is destroying the world. Originally Posted by canukian today muslims still honor their prophets word on sex slaves. Sex slaves
And Canadians are serial killers. Serial Killers
Do you see there is absolutely no difference between what I just did and what you do in almost every post you make? Originally Posted by canukian most curious that i am fighting to stave off the medieval (at best) religion of islam, and you defend it, while attacking the religion wich gives you the freedom to attack it. perverse.
Christianity has given me the freedom to do nothing. Secularism is one of the greatest things that has happened to the world, and it is the reason I can criticise any religion I want (Including Islam. I've done it in the past. Criticising Islam is different to criticising Muslims as a group.) Originally Posted by canukian it is far far beyond sad, all the way past tragic, that your type is going to lose the freedom we have. i honestly hope gods will will be done.
Islam is not going to take over the world. Do you honestly think there will come a day when over 50% of people in America are Muslim? What about Europe? It's simply not going to happen. Originally Posted by canukian Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Persecuted Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaPersecuted Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediapersecution Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaEgypt - Persecution: Disappearing Christians Syria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ChristianPersecution Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jordan Increases Pressure On Christians; Closing Church ... Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE IN PAKISTAN Morocco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMorocco The 1992 constitution guarantees freedom of religion for all, while designating Islam as the state religion. Any criticism of Islam is banned under the Penal Code and is punishable with up to five years in prison. Furthermore, any publication that could "threaten the fundamental institutional policies or religion of the kingdom" can be banned. On November 28, 2006, a Moroccan court sentenced a German tourist, Sadek Noshi Yassa (64) to six months in prison and a fine of 500 dirhams ($68 CAD) for trying to "shake the faith of a Muslim." Authorities alleged that Yassa was distributing books and CDs about the Christian faith to young Muslims on the streets of Agadir. He was able to leave Morocco before the sentence was handed down. The majority of Christians are foreign residents and the government denies that there are any indigenous Christians, despite a growing number of Moroccans coming to faith in Christ. While conversion from Islam is not a criminal offense, those who come to Christ have endured ostracism from families, loss of employment, and imprisonment. Missionary work is not allowed, though there are foreign workers in other roles seeking to share their faith.
lol, did you think those were anything close to free countries? those are the better ones, true. i do not believe you are as ignorant as you profess to be.
They are not perfect. They are not even particularly good, but they are not dictatorships, which is what you originally said.
And taking Turkey as an example. The State is secular. Any oppression has been done by individuals. Having no crazy individuals is a pretty high requirement for a state, don't you think? Originally Posted by canukian without oil what would they have? without our freedom to create wealth who would buy the oil.
What a daft question! Without natural resources, industry and the service sector, what would any country have? The point is, they do have the oil, and if they so wished, could assemble a large army and attack, say, Sub-Saharan Africa with the aim of forcibly converting the christians there. The fact that they don't shows that Muslims aren't nut-jobs to a man, as you are suggesting. Originally Posted by canukian ? after people like you lose our freedom, who will buy the oil? the world will be a rats nest.
"People like me"? I would fight to my last breath to prevent Ireland becoming a religious state again. And you don't seem to understand economics. Muslims and Socialists are not the same thing. And the way wealth was "created" in the banking systems of the right-wing nations is the main reason we're in this financial crisis  |
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Reps: 62,043,746,070,178 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by interpreter Christians in the Holy Land have been persecuted by Muslims for nearly 13 centuries. Most of them would rather be under Israeli rule than be in a Palestinian state under Islamic rule.
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Reps: 9,824,571,865,200,960 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by interpreter Christians in the Holy Land have been persecuted by Muslims for nearly 13 centuries. Most of them would rather be under Israeli rule than be in a Palestinian state under Islamic rule.
I thought the whole world had been under Christian rule since the sign of the son of man appeared in the sky in 312 A.D. |
2nd November 2009, 05:58 PM
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Reps: 367,120,650,414,424,512 (power: 367,120,650,414,437) | | Originally Posted by interpreter Christians in the Holy Land have been persecuted by Muslims for nearly 13 centuries. Most of them would rather be under Israeli rule than be in a Palestinian state under Islamic rule.
Unfortunately, Christians on the West Bank are persecuted both by Muslims and Israelis. Check out this website: www.saintgeorgetaybeh.org and click on articles. These articles are written by a woman living in that town which has spent much of its history in the last 40-60 years being occupied by the Israelis. I definitely don't think she would agree with this statement. In fact, she makes clear that they get along pretty well with the Muslims, and this village is (or at least used to be) 80-90% Christian. Many have left and immigrated since the Israelis have been occupying them since the 1967 and 1973 wars.
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Reps: 10,205,330,550,007,336 (power: 10,205,330,550,014) | | Originally Posted by katherine2001 Unfortunately, Christians on the West Bank are persecuted both by Muslims and Israelis. Check out this website: www.saintgeorgetaybeh.org--click on articles. These articles are written by a woman living in that town which has spent much of its history in the last 40-60 years being occupied by the Israelis. I definitely don't think she would agree with this statement. In fact, she makes clear that they get along pretty well with the Muslims, and this village is (or at least used to be) 80-90% Christian. Many have left and immigrated since the Israelis have been occupying them since the 1967 and 1973 wars.
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Reps: 399,886,911,758,635,520 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Christos Anesti The exodus of Christian from Palestine really kicked into high gear when the state of Israel was created. Can't blame them really with all the conflict that ensued as a result of it.
why, yes, thats it. it is israels fault the christians are forced to flee from the muslims for making the muslims persicute the christians. |
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Reps: 399,886,911,758,635,520 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by exotic walrus A lie. the interpeter is telling the truth. the lie is yours. here is your proof... Christians in Israel, neighboring areas Islam remains intolerant of any other group of people. Others are not accepted on an equal basis, only as dhimmis to be subjugated by Islam. Muslim children are taught to chant:- We shall fight on Saturday and then on Sunday
In other words, first the Jews and then the Christians |
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Reps: 9,824,571,865,200,960 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by wpiman2 We need a three state solution; an Israeli state; a Muslim Palestine; and a Christian state which includes Jerusalem.
All that'll do is make two separate religions really ticked off with Christianity. As if people in the Middle East needed any more reason to hate the West. |
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Reps: 487,428,604,501,145,536 (power: 487,428,604,501,153) | | Originally Posted by wpiman2 We need a three state solution; an Israeli state; a Muslim Palestine; and a Christian state which includes Jerusalem.
No, Palestine should be a state for Christians and Muslims. Christians shouldn't have to move out as if they're some sort of inconvinience and form their own state- Muslim-Christian relations have been, and will be, very strong for years to come. As I heard one Palestinian Muslim recently say- 'Palestinians are very proud that Jesus was a Palestinian.' Palestinians have a shared heritage, and Christmas is just as much a holiday in Palestine as Ramadan.
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