I agree. Christians have progressed out of their era of brutality, while Islam has unfortunately fallen. I think you are missing my point, however.
I wanted to point out to Canukian how wrong he is to assume Islam is homogenous, and to remind him that Islam was at one point the paragon of civilization, and the good present of Christianity doesn't excuse the bad past, just as the good past of Islam doesn't excuse the bad present.
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The part where you just made that up and it is complete nonsense.
I have lived in Kampongs, I have lived in Indonesia and I have traveled parts of the Muslim and Arab world and never had any problems while explicitly emphasizing to anyone who asked that I am not religious.
Perhaps in your xenophobic little world I would have been stoned to death. Reality however is quite different from your delusions.
Because the only posts you ever create, with an average of several per week, are explicitly used to slander an entire religion/race. You have the freedom to do so and I have the freedom to point out in every case that you are a cowardly xenophobe largely ignorant of the world around you.
fine then. you love to hate the usa. i have never seen you post one positive thing about america. that must earn much respect in muslims countries. also you are foreign. do you deny that christians are subject to much persicution in muslim countries?. i can tell you for fact that godless are worse off than christians in muslim countries.
you seem to think islam is defined by race, mind explaining that?
in britttain muslims want sharia law, now there is a good reason to fear muslim immigration.
islam= ideaology that seeks submission of every person on the planet
have you ever debated the worth of islam with a muslim group as you debate the woth of christianity in the west? islmic countries brutaly suppress critizism of islam.
is it ok to keep women as sex slaves because the koran says in many places its ok?
when we look at islam should we ignore that homosexuals and athieists have to chose between islam and death?
fine then. you love to hate the usa. i have never seen you post one positive thing about america. that must earn much respect in muslims countries. also you are foreign. do you deny that christians are subject to much persicution in muslim countries?. i can tell you for fact that godless are worse off than christians in muslim countries.
God, your ignorance and hatred are staggering!
Are you discounting his opinion because he is "foreign"? I have news for you, you are foreign as well. Everyone is foreign, and I hope that if you went to the Middle East, you would get the same warm welcome that my agnostic friend got when he drove through Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Saudia Arabia and Sudan earlier this year, as opposed to the tar and feathers treatment you suggested someone like me would get were I to come to your town, in the Global Warming thread
Originally Posted by canukian
in britttain muslims want sharia law, now there is a good reason to fear muslim immigration.
We're playing that game, are we? In America, christians want homosexuals to be executed, and adulterers stoned. And don't try to argue this point with me. You're saying that all Muslims can be judged by the actions of a tiny, tiny minority. I'm showing you how baseless and stupid this argument is.
Originally Posted by canukian
islam= ideaology that seeks submission of every person on the planet
You've never answered this, so I'll ask it again, using one of your pet tactics: How do you propose we deal with these evil towel-heads who are trying to destroy us?
Because if you propose a war on Muslims everywhere, as you seem to be, you are no better than the most extreme bomb-maker or radical cleric.
Originally Posted by canukian
have you ever debated the worth of islam with a muslim group as you debate the woth of christianity in the west? islmic countries brutaly suppress critizism of islam.
I've seen it debated on TV. Essentially christians spent an hour attacking Muslim clerics with all sorts of bile and hatred, while the Muslims answered calmly, with respect, and with reference to the peaceful parts of the Quran, which they, and most other Muslims, follow. How does this fit in with your idea of Islam?
Originally Posted by canukian
is it ok to keep women as sex slaves because the koran says in many places its ok?
Just as okay as it is to massacre all the menfolk and adult women of a tribe, and keep all the virgins as sex slaves: Numbers 31
Originally Posted by canukian
when we look at islam should we ignore that homosexuals and athieists have to chose between islam and death?
Strange, neither myself or any of my homosexual friends have had to make this choice, even though there are several Muslims in our group of friends, who completely accept our lifestyles. Ever stop to think that perhaps you might be wrong about the 1.6 billion people who call themselves Muslim?
If a quarter of the world's population were actually hell-bent on oppressing everyone else, you'd think they would have conquered a little more than the Middle East, North Africa and Indonesia, wouldn't you?
I am tingling with the anticipation. I am sure Canukian has very reasonable explanations for just how all of these examples of Muslim contributions to human knowledge are "by the sword"
well it's pretty obvious. they conquored counties and the smart people there were suddenly muslims. poof, magic. become a muslim or suffer. the conquored countries wealth were stolen, wich payed for muslim univercities. aka they would take money from stuborn christians and jews who retained their faiths and so payed the extra heavey taxes on non muslims, and build mosques, islamic univercities, ect. non muslims are called dhimmi.
why dont you look up dhimmi and tell me if you would enjoy living under islamic law as a christian or jew, as ever decreasing millions of non muslims do?
wonder why muslims florish in india, but hindus are all but gone from pakistan.
wonder why buhdists are all gone from pakistan, when there were so many befor muslims conquored the land?
i am not the bad person for wanting to warn people about islam, you are by trying to stop the truth.
I agree. Christians have progressed out of their era of brutality, while Islam has unfortunately fallen. I think you are missing my point, however.
I wanted to point out to Canukian how wrong he is to assume Islam is homogenous, and to remind him that Islam was at one point the paragon of civilization, and the good present of Christianity doesn't excuse the bad past, just as the good past of Islam doesn't excuse the bad present.
What frightens me is that the mods haven't stopped him yet. Seriously, this forum is supposed to be welcoming of all religions. I've seen a Muslim in this thread. Its a little disturbing that this outright baseless hostility has been allowed to continue.
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go to a muslim country and preach the lord and laugh it up.
There are churches in Indonesia, UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, Malaysia. These countries have more Muslims than all the others, yet Christians are free to practice their religion in a safe environement.
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Originally Posted by canukian
why dont you look up dhimmi and tell me if you would enjoy living under islamic law as a christian or jew, as ever decreasing millions of non muslims do?
wonder why muslims florish in india, but hindus are all but gone from pakistan.
wonder why buhdists are all gone from pakistan, when there were so many befor muslims conquored the land?
i am not the bad person for wanting to warn people about islam, you are by trying to stop the truth.
Pakistan and India were the same country till the UK sepearated them. Pakistan was given to the Muslims and India was given to Hindus and everyone else. They did this without having a proper plan in place for handling the two state solution, and you still have fighting about it today.
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Pakistan and India were the same country till the UK sepearated them. Pakistan was given to the Muslims and India was given to Hindus and everyone else. They did this without having a proper plan in place for handling the two state solution, and you still have fighting about it today.
No, that can't be right, the UK is a Christian nation, they wouldn't do anything that would result in a negative outcome! Typical, more of your Muslim lies!
Are you discounting his opinion because he is "foreign"? I have news for you, you are foreign as well. Everyone is foreign, and I hope that if you went to the Middle East, you would get the same warm welcome that my agnostic friend got when he drove through Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Saudia Arabia and Sudan earlier this year, as opposed to the tar and feathers treatment you suggested someone like me would get were I to come to your town, in the Global Warming thread
what i meant was if he were born in the countries in stead he would be subject to the same ill treatment as the local non-muslims are. dito to your agnostic freind. the amount of suffering your type will incure on all and most harshly on the poor with draconian anti warming idiocy would certainly warrant somthing as reletivly mild as tar and feathers in return.
We're playing that game, are we? In America, christians want homosexuals to be executed, and adulterers stoned. And don't try to argue this point with me. You're saying that all Muslims can be judged by the actions of a tiny, tiny minority. I'm showing you how baseless and stupid this argument is.
yes, america is certaily a hotbed of homosexual execution and adulterer stoning, goodnes how could i argue? somehow the muslim badies seem to outnumber the christian badies, oh, say 10,000 to one, making the christian tiny minority tinier. thanks for showing me how stupid i am.
You've never answered this, so I'll ask it again, using one of your pet tactics: How do you propose we deal with these evil towel-heads who are trying to destroy us?
Because if you propose a war on Muslims everywhere, as you seem to be, you are no better than the most extreme bomb-maker or radical cleric.
well why on earth would i want them to emigrate to my country? i propose we send people like you to live in muslim countries where you can excape the evil christians you so love to decry.
I've seen it debated on TV. Essentially christians spent an hour attacking Muslim clerics with all sorts of bile and hatred, while the Muslims answered calmly, with respect, and with reference to the peaceful parts of the Quran, which they, and most other Muslims, follow. How does this fit in with your idea of Islam?
more proof that athiest like you would be happier in a muslim country, away from the bile of the evil christians.. muslims love athiests, really, come on, you can go there.
Just as okay as it is to massacre all the menfolk and adult women of a tribe, and keep all the virgins as sex slaves: Numbers 31
ya i heard the same thing happend by a bunch of christians just last week.
Strange, neither myself or any of my homosexual friends have had to make this choice, even though there are several Muslims in our group of friends, who completely accept our lifestyles. Ever stop to think that perhaps you might be wrong about the 1.6 billion people who call themselves Muslim?
no, not for a second.
If a quarter of the world's population were actually hell-bent on oppressing everyone else, you'd think they would have conquered a little more than the Middle East, North Africa and Indonesia, wouldn't you?
well, you see, these muslim countries are highly disfunctional dictatorships that keep their boots firmly on the throats of their populations. they create no wealth with wich to conquor. but with people like you acending, who needs to conquor? just wait till they destroy themselves.
i have been banned from christian forums. it is my pleasure to never return, and leave them with the likes of you, and many more to come. oh and lots more muslims too, lol, they are good at following rules.