what part of you living in a tolerant christian nation and muslim's duty in a newly conquored land to slaughter the godless who refuse to convert is it that you dont understand?
The part where you just made that up and it is complete nonsense.
please, please move to a muslim country and anounce your godlessnes.
I have lived in Kampongs, I have lived in Indonesia and I have traveled parts of the Muslim and Arab world and never had any problems while explicitly emphasizing to anyone who asked that I am not religious.
Perhaps in your xenophobic little world I would have been stoned to death. Reality however is quite different from your delusions.
Originally Posted by canukian
btw why on earth would you despise me for bringing to light this dispicable behavior? .
Because the only posts you ever create, with an average of several per week, are explicitly used to slander an entire religion/race. You have the freedom to do so and I have the freedom to point out in every case that you are a cowardly xenophobe largely ignorant of the world around you.
go to a muslim country and preach the lord and laugh it up.
Yes, and if an Imam had come to Europe the 13th Century and tried to preach Islam, they would have probably been burned at the stake.
Stop pretending that Islam is evil across the board and Christendom is perfect. It is completely a-historical. And by the way, there are a number of Muslim countries where I would feel fine doing this: Turkey, Indonesia, Jordan, the U.A.E. and Kuwait, to name a few.
Neither Christians nor Muslims are perfect. Islam is plagued in the modern day with extremism and terrorist groups. But several hundred years ago, the Muslim Caliphates were the center of science, astronomy, medicine and the arts; the center of civilization and it was the Christians flinging Crusades against them and demonizing them.
In light of that, I find the constant attempts to paint Islam in its entirety with the same brush as the terrorists as laughable.
Oh please, that is patently untrue. While Europe was mired in the dark ages, the Muslim astronomers were busy naming stars and constellations.
Algebra itself is Muslim in origin, coming from the Arabic word "Al-jabr", literally "Restoration". The Father of Algebra is also Muslim, al-Khwarizmi.
Al-Zarqali invented the astrolabe.
Abd al-Rahman al-Sufi was an astronomer whose works include the first descriptions of the Andromeda galaxy.
Al-Biruni found multiple ways of determining north-south, wrote mathmatical formulas describing the change of the seasons by solar parameters allowing us to exactly determine the dates of the solstices and equinoxes, found that the Earth rotated on its axis and made a number of highly accurate calculations of latitude and longitude and recognized the existence of the speed of light
This is absurd.
Another Muslim, a physician, Ibn al-Nafis, circa 1213, was the first doctor to describe pulmonary circulation.
The Arabs invented the 0-9 numerals still used today.
Nasir Al-Din Al-Tusi is considered the "Father of Trigonometry". He invented binomial coefficients.
In 984, Ibn Sahl described the first, accurate theory of Refraction of Light.
Abu Ali Hasan Ibn al-Haitham was a Muslim scientist who studied the eye, published a book: Book of Optics, in which he recognized that sight is virtual images formed by adequate light entering the eye.
Al-Razi was a Persian, Muslim physician who developed some of the first treatments for Smallpox, and pioneered the use of opium as anesthesia
Ibn Sina was a Muslim physician who deduced correctly that tuberculosis was an airborne illness, developed protocols for quarantine, and developed the ideas that diseases are contagious.
A Muslim, al-Kindi, first suggested damming the Nile.
Jabir Ibn Haiyan is called the "Father of Chemistry" and pioneered the modern scientific method, emphasizing recording one's methods so experiments can be repeated. He wrote over 20 books recording his various chemical experiments in detail.
Al-Farghani was a famous astronomer, he wrote a book, Elements of Astronomy, describing the course of celestial objects and concluding that the solar system was heliocentric.
And I haven't even mentioned all the advances the Muslims made in architecture and art and literature.
Frankly, your xenophobia is downright frightening. This isn't even an issue of whether or not you dislike Islam or not. The advances made by Muslims are a matter of historicalfact, and you cannot simply dismiss that because you don't like them.
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I am tingling with the anticipation. I am sure Canukian has very reasonable explanations for just how all of these examples of Muslim contributions to human knowledge are "by the sword"
Oh please, that is patently untrue. While Europe was mired in the dark ages, the Muslim astronomers were busy naming stars and constellations.
Algebra itself is Muslim in origin, coming from the Arabic word "Al-jabr", literally "Restoration". The Father of Algebra is also Muslim, al-Khwarizmi.
Al-Zarqali invented the astrolabe.
Abd al-Rahman al-Sufi was an astronomer whose works include the first descriptions of the Andromeda galaxy.
Al-Biruni found multiple ways of determining north-south, wrote mathmatical formulas describing the change of the seasons by solar parameters allowing us to exactly determine the dates of the solstices and equinoxes, found that the Earth rotated on its axis and made a number of highly accurate calculations of latitude and longitude and recognized the existence of the speed of light
This is absurd.
Another Muslim, a physician, Ibn al-Nafis, circa 1213, was the first doctor to describe pulmonary circulation.
The Arabs invented the 0-9 numeric characters still used today.
Nasir Al-Din Al-Tusi is considered the "Father of Trigonometry". He invented binomial coefficients.
Jabir Ibn Haiyan is called the "Father of Chemistry" and pioneered the modern scientific method, emphasizing recording one's methods so experiments can be repeated. He wrote over 20 books recording his various chemical experiments in detail.
Al-Farghani was a famous astronomer, he wrote a book, Elements of Astronomy, describing the course of celestial objects and concluding that the solar system was heliocentric.
And I haven't even mentioned all the advances the Muslims made in architecture and art.
Frankly, your xenophobia is downright frightening. This isn't even an issue of whether or not you dislike Islam or not. The advances made by Muslims are a matter of historicalfact, and you cannot simply dismiss that because you don't like them.
islam got its learning and its wealth used for learning by the sword.
It's an almost universal wisdom in modern literature that Islam, out of its love for knowledge and creatvity, created a great, advanced civilization---the so-called Islamic 'Golden Age'. But in reality, it was founded on pre-Islamic Greek and Eastern acquisitions in knowledge and innovations. Moreover, Islam played a significant role in the destruction of classical learning...
my xenophobia is well founded. you go to any muslim country on earth and try to live a life as a christian citizen, and report back. we both know it isnt pretty, so why do you attack me for trying to warn people of the danger? you and your type seem to invite destruction of our civilization.
No, a website devoted to hate-mongering constitutes nothing more then hot air. I want a real refutation, not some baseless venom.
Originally Posted by canukian
my xenophobia is well founded. you go to any muslim country on earth and try to live a life as a christian citizen, and report back.
Interestingly, you seem to have missed that someone in this discussion already did.
Originally Posted by exotic walrus
I have lived in Kampongs, I have lived in Indonesia and I have traveled parts of the Muslim and Arab world and never had any problems while explicitly emphasizing to anyone who asked that I am not religious.
Perhaps in your xenophobic little world I would have been stoned to death. Reality however is quite different from your delusions.
Originally Posted by canukian
we both know it isnt pretty
Your generalizing. Corte d'Ivore is a Christian nation too. I would HATE to live there. The people starve and die while the oppressive Christian ruler pours the entire GDP into building the world's largest Roman Catholic basilica to stoke his ego.
Originally Posted by canukian
, so why do you attack me for trying to warn people of the danger? you and your type seem to invite destruction of our civilization.
Oh please. That is nothing more then sensationalist lies and ad hominem.
I notice you failed to explain how all those contributions to human knowledge by Muslim scientists were "by the sword". I shall consider your failure to respond a concession on that point.
So just because some individual Muslims did wonderful things 800-1000 years ago, that is supposed to absolve them from their crimes today? Even if we accept your facts, it only provides greater evidence that Muslims have gone backward in time while Christianity has moved forward. Of the two religions, one has emerged from the Dark Ages, the other wants to pull the whole world back into it.
I don't argue that. I am trying to point out that Islam is not the uniformly villainous entity Canukian paints it, and Christianity not the perfect innocent. Both Christianity and Islam have done wonderful things, and terrible things.
I'm not trying to argue their respective merits, just point out that it is somewhat hypocritical for a Christian to claim the moral high ground versus Islam, considering the history, and Canukian is trying to imply that Islam is uniformly all in support of the terrorists. That is like saying all of Christendom supported the Crusades and witch burnings.
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