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what do you think of the statement: "There are no Jews"?
an atheist said that and I want your honest opinion.
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Reps: 59,589,388,507,789 (power: 59,589,388,512) | | Originally Posted by kisstheson  what do you think of the statement: "There are no Jews"?
an atheist said that and I want your honest opinion.
I had an imaginary friend when I was a little boy. I never thought I would turn out to be a figment of someone's imagination as well. Pretty cool! 
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Sure we do....we are still around.
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an atheist said that and I want your honest opinion.
One of the arguments Christians and Jews rely on is that God has kept His Covenant with the Jews. We won't perish from the earth. I won't go into the vital essence of this theology for the Church and Israel right now, because it would dereail the thread (and I absolutely disagree with French Affair on his first premise- let's not forget his branch of Christianity has rejected the ancient orthodox, catholic position on this point because of political expediency and not because of truth)
Anyway, it is obvious to me that this atheist needs the Jews to cease existing to somehow prove our sacred texts wrong and thus make some obtuse point about there being no God- a standard atheist argument. My challenge to such people is simple: put your money where your mouth is. I say to them "go to your local synagogue and tell them from the floor that they don't exist or are phonies. Then come back and tell us if you see if there are no Jews left to speak up against you. I'll call the ambulance in the mean time"
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It is an argument of convenience, nothing more, nothing less, for which there is no compelling evidence in support.
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It is an argument of convenience, nothing more, nothing less, for which there is no compelling evidence in support.
Yes, I also realized that...but did not bring it up. Thanks for doing it.
invalidate today's Jews as being the "Biblical Jews", invalidate their claim on any land and holy sites.
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Reps: 686,793,195,995,017,728 (power: 686,793,195,995,020) | | Originally Posted by kisstheson what do you think of the statement: "There are no Jews"?
an atheist said that and I want your honest opinion. (Teafully looking at my friday's paycheck stub) I don’t exist? Wow, if he proves it to IRS I will be grateful to him until the day I die! So I don’t have to pay taxes! On a serious note, he doesn’t believe God exist, what do you expect from such person? Jew denialism is one of the least of his problems. |
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Reps: 686,793,195,995,017,728 (power: 686,793,195,995,020) | | Originally Posted by ChavaK Yes, I also realized that...but did not bring it up. Thanks for doing it.
invalidate today's Jews as being the "Biblical Jews", invalidate their claim on any land and holy sites.
Amen. The fact that jew of today owns a cellphone, ulcer and other stress induced fancy diseases, doenst mean those are not Biblical Jews, children of Abraham. Judaism is first of all, not about the form, but the spirit of it, and may i say - as a proud Christian- there are adherents of Judaism that are true to the same religion their forefathers had.
While I never cease to hope for my family to share my belief in Yeshua, I wont allow anyone to disrespect Jews in my presence, even online one. | | |
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