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4th November 2009, 01:03 PM
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4th November 2009, 01:14 PM
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Reps: 223,873,387,598,446,208 (power: 223,873,387,598,540) | | Originally Posted by Carey  Who here would actually consider Changing their relgious beliefs??
What would you need in order to make that change??
Thanks for your response.
Carey 
Belief in the living God is not a "religion", it's a becoming "one" with God, through His only begotten Son, as God's Holy Spirit begins to abide in those who believe in the living God. It is life from death, from darkness to light. It is knowing that we will see Him face to face, this One, the Creator of heaven and earth, Who rejoices over us with singing.
There is no restlessness, no "searching", no "shopping around" any longer. We who are Abba's children are "home".
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias ‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis "God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta "Prayer in its highest form is agonizing soul sweat." --Leonard Ravenhill "Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans "The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just
dead men walking. my journal/blog:
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4th November 2009, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by brinny Belief in the living God is not a "religion", it's a becoming "one" with God, through His only begotten Son, as God's Holy Spirit begins to abide in those who believe in the living God. It is life from death, from darkness to light. It is knowing that we will see Him face to face, this One, the Creator of heaven and earth, Who rejoices over us with singing.
There is no restlessness, no "searching", no "shopping around" any longer. We who are Abba's children are "home".
I whole heartedly agree. 
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4th November 2009, 09:29 PM
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Reps: 47,238,672,140,564 (power: 47,238,672,141) | | If I was being forced against my will to change my faith to suit others... the answer would be no I would not change.
If I felt that my faith was moving in a differing direction and was leading me along a different path... the answer would be yes I would change (and I would follow where I was being led).
What would I need as proof that I should change the very foundation that my whole life is built upon? Something very massive and undeniable, something that I had seen with my own eyes, and not heard about from others. I would need solid, unshakeable evidence that my way was wrong and another way was right before I would even give a second thought to abandoning my faith.
That said, there is nothing that anyone could do to convince me right now that my faith is wrong, evil, not "true", invalid or any of the other derogatory words that basically say that I'm stupid and shall burn for my not following the "true believers"... I shall do whatever I wish to within the bounds of the law and everyone else can just get on with it, quite frankly!
I have been a pagan for more years than I can remember, so the chances of me changing now without something phenomenal happening like a God appearing in front of me in the middle of the street, or something like that, are non-existant. My Goddess is as real to me as anothers' God/s are to them.
Never thought I would ever quote Margaret Thatcher in my life but "the lady's not for turning!" 
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4th November 2009, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Princess-Pumpkin If I was being forced against my will to change my faith to suit others... the answer would be no I would not change.
If I felt that my faith was moving in a differing direction and was leading me along a different path... the answer would be yes I would change (and I would follow where I was being led).
What would I need as proof that I should change the very foundation that my whole life is built upon? Something very massive and undeniable, something that I had seen with my own eyes, and not heard about from others. I would need solid, unshakeable evidence that my way was wrong and another way was right before I would even give a second thought to abandoning my faith.
That said, there is nothing that anyone could do to convince me right now that my faith is wrong, evil, not "true", invalid or any of the other derogatory words that basically say that I'm stupid and shall burn for my not following the "true believers"... I shall do whatever I wish to within the bounds of the law and everyone else can just get on with it, quite frankly!
I have been a pagan for more years than I can remember, so the chances of me changing now without something phenomenal happening like a God appearing in front of me in the middle of the street, or something like that, are non-existant. My Goddess is as real to me as anothers' God/s are to them.
Never thought I would ever quote Margaret Thatcher in my life but "the lady's not for turning!"
Thank you so much for such a detailed response.
Maybe one day you will witness this and recognize him then.
Luke 21 : 25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
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2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. |
5th November 2009, 03:24 AM
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Reps: 19,171,578,098,712 (power: 19,171,578,118) | | Originally Posted by brinny There is no restlessness, no "searching", no "shopping around" any longer. We [...] are "home".
Interestingly, that's just how I feel about my lack of religion.  eudaimonia,
Mark
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5th November 2009, 11:03 AM
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Reps: 223,873,387,598,446,208 (power: 223,873,387,598,540) | | Originally Posted by brinny
There is no restlessness, no "searching", no "shopping around" any longer. We [...] are "home". Originally Posted by Eudaimonist Interestingly, that's just how I feel about my lack of religion. eudaimonia,
Mark
You have your testimony. I have mine.
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias ‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis "God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta "Prayer in its highest form is agonizing soul sweat." --Leonard Ravenhill "Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans "The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just
dead men walking. my journal/blog:
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5th November 2009, 11:10 AM
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Give your own opinion, your own testimony, your own view on your own beliefs. Do not change mine. They are mine, and not for you to disrespect or develop a newer, more acceptable "version" of. It is disrespectful.
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias ‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis "God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta "Prayer in its highest form is agonizing soul sweat." --Leonard Ravenhill "Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans "The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just
dead men walking. my journal/blog:
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5th November 2009, 11:25 AM
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Reps: 19,171,578,098,712 (power: 19,171,578,118) | | Originally Posted by brinny Give your own opinion, your own testimony, your own view on your own beliefs. Do not change mine. They are mine, and not for you to disrespect or develop a newer, more acceptable "version" of. It is disrespectful.
Honestly, one of the greatest shows of respect that one can ever give to other people is to assume that their minds can be changed by a rational argument. eudaimonia,
Mark
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