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1st November 2009, 11:45 AM
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(CNN) -- Authorities in Malaysia have seized more than 20,000 Bibles in recent months because they refer to God as "Allah," Christian leaders said Thursday.
The seizures have fed fears among minority groups, which see signs of encroaching Islamic fundamentalism in the predominantly Muslim but multi-racial country.
"There is a growing sense of Islamic assertion, yes," said the Rev. Hermen Shastri, general-secretary of the Council of Churches of Malaysia. "There is some concern."
The Bibles were written in the country's official language, Malay -- in which the word for God is "Allah," as it is in Arabic.
However, Malaysia's government says the word is exclusive to Islam.
Its use in Christian publications is likely to confuse Muslims and draw them to Christianity, the government says. So it has banned use of the word in Christian literature.
another interesting comment in the article: Muslims cannot convert to other religions without the permission of the Islamic courts, which rarely approve such requests.
for complete story: Bibles seized as Malaysia minorities fear fundamentalism - CNN.com
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1st November 2009, 02:15 PM
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1st November 2009, 04:14 PM
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If "Allah" is the Malaysian word for "God", how can you have a bible without it. Well, I suppose you could go the YHWH route or "Lord"....
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1st November 2009, 08:45 PM
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Reps: 41,168,444,346,964,904 (power: 41,168,444,346,968) | | Originally Posted by aisy_Day  If "Allah" is the Malaysian word for "God", how can you have a bible without it. Well, I suppose you could go the YHWH route or "Lord"....
Except it isn't.
The most normal word that is used is Tuhan.
I'm somewhat suspicious of anyone who says that they are "Sowing God's word to everyone in every way", as it says on the Bible Society of Malaysia's website ( Bibles in Bahasa Malaysia, Chinese, English and other Bible Resource - Bible Society of Malaysia ). Especially bearing in mind that less than ten percent of the population of Malaysia is Christian.
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2nd November 2009, 03:04 PM
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Reps: 1,017,882,919,370,317,952 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by kiwimac This is not persecution in any meaningful sense of that word.
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2nd November 2009, 04:33 PM
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