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2nd November 2009, 08:52 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Cabal  I don't see who else you can blame if you believe God set it up so that being human = being a sinner.
If sin wasn't genetic, then every time someone sinned, Jesus would have to come back and die on a cross; but by making Adam the federal head of the human race, and by making sin into a genetically-transferred Sin Nature, Jesus had to only die once-for-all, as it says in the book of Hebrews.
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Reps: 64,500,400,981,488,344 (power: 64,500,400,981,493) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET If sin wasn't genetic, then every time someone sinned, Jesus would have to come back and die on a cross; but by making Adam the federal head of the human race, and by making sin into a genetically-transferred Sin Nature, Jesus had to only die once-for-all, as it says in the book of Hebrews.
AV, that doesn't make any sense.
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2nd November 2009, 08:57 AM
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I know --- I used to be in your shoes.
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET If sin wasn't genetic, then every time someone sinned, Jesus would have to come back and die on a cross; but by making Adam the federal head of the human race, and by making sin into a genetically-transferred Sin Nature, Jesus had to only die once-for-all, as it says in the book of Hebrews.
(I suspect this may be a classic case of not getting the analogy presented in Hebrews, but anyhoo....)
I'm mildly weirded out by the role reversal here, but why are you so keen to bind this whole matter up into genetics, something decidedly physical?
Surely if God was in charge of everything he wouldn't be hamstrung by genetics (something he instituted)? And as I said, God transferred all of mankind's sin (past, present, future) onto Jesus at the time of the crucifixion anyway, so why all this chicanery to make Jesus genetically sinless when he ends up taking it all upon himself anyway?
I hate to steal your catchphrase, but this just seems like basic doctrine (or is Basic Doctrine) to me....  |
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Reps: 64,500,400,981,488,344 (power: 64,500,400,981,493) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET I know --- I used to be in your shoes.
No, I mean what you said, it doesn't make any sense at all no matter how you look at it.
If I understand you right, then this is what you're saying.
If sin is genetic, and then everyone on earth has sin + fathers sin x 4 + original sin, and Jesus only has to die once for that even though after he dies people continue to sin and accumulate sin "genetically", they can wash that away by trusting his name.
If sin is individual, then everyone on earth has sin (and only his own sin), Jesus has to die over and over again for each individual person and simply trusting his name in the future doesn't cut it.
I'm pretty sure I'm not missing anything, your post just flat out, no matter how you look at it, north, south, east, and west, doesn't make a lick 'o sense.
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Reps: 9,824,571,865,200,960 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Have a good day, sir.
I'm having a very good day, thanks be to Evolution! |
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Cabal I'm mildly weirded out by the role reversal here, but why are you so keen to bind this whole matter up into genetics, something decidedly physical?
Because Paul says in Romans 5 that death due to sin passed onto all mankind, because all mankind are sinners.
How else to transfer this Sin Nature, but by DNA?
If you can think of another way, by all means, I'm listening. Originally Posted by Cabal Surely if God was in charge of everything he wouldn't be hamstrung by genetics (something he instituted)? And as I said, God transferred all of mankind's sin (past, present, future) onto Jesus at the time of the crucifixion anyway, so why all this chicanery to make Jesus genetically sinless when he ends up taking it all upon himself anyway?
Because God demands a spotless sacrifice.
A sinner taking the sins of other sinners upon himself is just wrong.
Peter says Jesus' blood was 'precious': Originally Posted by 1 Peter 1:9 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
What makes something "precious"?
It's rarity, it's composition, it's owner, it's uniqueness, it's efficacy --- to name a few.
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And how many animals had to die, and will die in the future, so we can have a good day, thanks to evolution?
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Reps: 9,824,571,865,200,960 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET And how many animals had to die, and will die in the future, so we can have a good, evolutionary day?
Two of every kind.  | | |
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