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2nd November 2009, 07:52 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Wedjat  What would food for angels be doing on earth? Beyond that, why would angels (spiritual beings) need/want food in the first place?
How far is this line of questioning going to go?
Ever heard of manna?
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[edit] you know what, whatever. You don't have to answer if you don't want to, it's your "pet theory", even you admit that it's kind of baseless.
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2nd November 2009, 08:01 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by peadar1987 Surely God, in his infinite power, could have come up with a more foolproof solution than putting the forbidden fruit in easy reach, right in the middle of the Garden?
You're confusing power with knowledge --- where He put the tree was His business.
But since were going to start with the extra-Biblical ad hoc questions now, I'll entertain you with my ad lib answers.
I certainly wouldn't want you guys to be disappointed, or go w/o a target of ridicule. * Warning: ad hoc question, so here's an ad lib answer: *
In my opinion, God could have put that tree up on a high mountain on the other side of Pangaea (Eden), if He so chose.
But that would mean that later, after the earth was repopulated as instructed, someone else would have eaten of the forbidden fruit.
And that would have split all of humanity up into two factions: those who don't have the Sin Nature, and those who do.
This earth would be one big mess. Originally Posted by peadar1987 I really don't see how Adam and Eve could really be blamed, and I especially don't see how I, personally, should be blamed!
It has to do with two things: - Adam being the federal head of the whole human race.
- The Sin Nature being transferred genetically.
If you're guilty of being human --- you're guilty of being a sinner.
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Reps: 9,824,571,865,200,960 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET You're confusing power with knowledge --- where He put the tree was His business.
No, no I'm not. I was referring to the fact that he needed this tree of eternal damnation at all. Why didn't he create angels in such a way that they didn't need this fruit of doom, that would have to be left lying around so it could wreck humanity, who god supposedly loves? Originally Posted by AV In my opinion, God could have put that tree up on a high mountain on the other side of Pangaea (Eden), if He so chose.
But that would mean that later, after the earth was repopulated as instructed, someone else would have eaten of the forbidden fruit.
And that would have split all of humanity up into two factions: those who don't have the Sin Nature, and those who do.
See above Originally Posted by AV This earth would be one big mess.It has to do with two things: - Adam being the federal head of the whole human race.
- The Sin Nature being transferred genetically.
If you're guilty of being human --- you're guilty of being a sinner.
So god specifically made us so that if one of us ever sinned, the rest of their descendents would forever be held responsible? Sounds just a little unreasonable! I think I'll be a Satanist from now on. You know where you stand with Satan.  |
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by peadar1987 No, no I'm not. I was referring to the fact that he needed this tree of eternal damnation at all. Why didn't he create angels in such a way that they didn't need this fruit of doom, that would have to be left lying around so it could wreck humanity, who god supposedly loves?
See above
So god specifically made us so that if one of us ever sinned, the rest of their descendents would forever be held responsible? Sounds just a little unreasonable! I think I'll be a Satanist from now on. You know where you stand with Satan.
Have a good day, sir.
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1- God is omniscient and omnipotent and purposefully set out to screw over as many people as possible
2- God is simply a-lot-knowing and very-powerful and made an honest blunder
3- The bible is not inerrant.
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET And that would have split all of humanity up into two factions: those who don't have the Sin Nature, and those who do.
This would make sin be about what it is really about and should be about - choice, not genetics. This earth would be one big mess.
"Would be"??? It has to do with two things: - Adam being the federal head of the whole human race.
- The Sin Nature being transferred genetically.
If you're guilty of being human --- you're guilty of being a sinner.
Again, this is so wrong on so many theological levels I don't even know where to start.
In brief - sin is about choice. Anything else and you have one pretty malicious deity on your hands.
Additionally, Jesus not having the sin nature meant he was physically unable to sin, which pretty much renders the whole concept of being fully human and fully God moot - his trials in the desert, his crucifixion (which additionally renders the whole point of being genetically sinless or not redundant as God transferred all of mankind's sin to him ANYWAY)..... |
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Cabal "Would be"???
I'll say one thing for atheism: it doesn't blame God for the shape this world is in.
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET I'll say one for atheism: it doesn't blame God for the shape this world is in.
Again, there's a whole bunch more points in the post you quoted that would be good to address.
But regarding this...
I don't see who else you can blame if you believe God set it up so that being human = being a sinner. |
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Reps: 38,330,407,492,018 (power: 38,330,407,495) | | Originally Posted by Cabal Again, there's a whole bunch more points in the post you quoted that would be good to address.
But regarding this...
I don't see who else you can blame if you believe God set it up so that being human = being a sinner.
The whole creation story has a very nasty fishy smell coming from it. | | |
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