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4th November 2009, 09:49 AM
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Reps: 381,606,385,253,114,176 (power: 381,606,385,253,137) | | Originally Posted by Simon Peter  Word of Faith has a very different, often polar opposite, perspective on who God is and His dealing with men, compared to traditional Christianity. The WoF understanding of God effects every part of their teaching
If you don’t believe in the Word of Faith ‘gospel’ you shouldn’t be listening to WoF teachers.
So are you saying you have no need of Andrew Wommack, or for that matter, any of your brothers or sisters who call themselves WoF? 
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4th November 2009, 09:51 AM
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4th November 2009, 09:51 AM
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Reps: 214,995,881,490,643,872 (power: 214,995,881,490,652) | | | The whole 'give to get, get to give' claim preaches well, but it just isn't a biblical principle. There are a couple of scriptures that may suggest this principle, but only if you take them out of context.
The great danger of this principle is that it is completely ignorant of men's hearts. How can a pastor honesty claim the moral high ground with a principle that appeals to insecurity and greed? Are they that clueless about their congregation and even their own hearts?
The evidence is the many WoF preachers who now have many houses, private jets, etc...and yet still beg for money (for your blessing of course). If these Spiritual giants were unable to resist the temptations of materialism and greed, how are the less committed supposed to?
That's the great trap, men may start out with good intentions, or deceive themselves about their own hearts, but most people can never have enough money or possessions.
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4th November 2009, 10:11 AM
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4th November 2009, 10:14 AM
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Reps: 381,606,385,253,114,176 (power: 381,606,385,253,137) | | Originally Posted by bobznew And yes, of course, there ARE those like this. It is unfortunate that they are the ones that seem to constantly end up on others' radar screens, because they do not represent those of us who, in our hearts, are seeking God to help us reach a suffering, dying, hurting, and lost world. 
The other thing that is prevalent about critics of WoF/"ex-WoF" is that they'll say things like, "The WoF teaching makes you greedy! I know! I was in WoF for 10 years and it made me greedy!"
So the implication here is, since they were greedy, it necessitates that you will be greedy too. It never seems to cross their minds that, golly gee whiz, maybe they had a problem in their heart with greed, and so they used whatever WoF teachings they could grab to justify their own greed problem rather than hearing the whole balanced message and dealing with themselves.
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4th November 2009, 10:31 AM
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I was wondering where you were. Good to hear from you. What's a subject like this without you. 
Boring.  Originally Posted by Simon Peter To answer your question: No, not at all.
I think WoF believers like Andrew, Benjamin and yourself probably have good hearts and good intentions; but are decieved. Just as you think my perspective is wrong, or a deception.
We can agree here. I believe you are sincere. And deceived. The same thing you believe about me/us. Originally Posted by Simon Peter Unfortunately, we can't both be right. They are very different - often polar opposite - approaches to understanding and practicing Christianity.
My concern is for all Christians; which includes you guys. But also includes the vast majority of believers who don't understand the difference between WoF and historical Christian beliefs.
Personally, I don't think either of us is "right". And that's why I believe that we need each other, despite the fact that there are areas of strong disagreement between us.
No part of the body of Christ has any right to say to another, "I have no need of you." Whether you realize it or not this is the message you portray loud and clear to your WoF brothers. In this thread, you've said; Originally Posted by Simon Peter If you don’t believe in the Word of Faith ‘gospel’ you shouldn’t be listening to WoF teachers.
Now that implies to me that you have no need of WoF people, or at least, have no need of what they have to say. But by saying that, you are COMPLETELY discounting EVERYTHING that we would say.
The Truth is, every part of the body of Christ needs the other parts to function properly. Even if we disagree, we need to come to the realization that none of us has the complete full Truth, and we all need each other to learn and grow in Him.
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4th November 2009, 11:21 AM
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Reps: 3,648,695,239,759,241,728 (power: 3,648,695,239,759,266) | | Originally Posted by Simon Peter That's because he's a Word of Faith preacher. He thinks God completed everything He had to do at the cross, now it's up to you to claim it all.
According to Wommack: God even relinquished His sovereignty over to you, God no longer controls what happens on the earth, you do.
In this way, WoF does push God out of the picture. Now it's all about you...
Which is another reason I advise you don't listen to Wommack.
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Since sin is dead apart from law, what happens if we live under law?
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Romans 7:8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.
The proper way to read Romans 3:31.
3:31. Do we overthrow the OT by the justifying faith of Jew and Gentile? No, we uphold the OT. |
4th November 2009, 11:27 AM
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We can agree here. I believe you are sincere. And deceived. The same thing you believe about me/us.
Personally, I don't think either of us is "right". And that's why I believe that we need each other, despite the fact that there are areas of strong disagreement between us.
No part of the body of Christ has any right to say to another, "I have no need of you." Whether you realize it or not this is the message you portray loud and clear to your WoF brothers. In this thread, you've said;
Now that implies to me that you have no need of WoF people, or at least, have no need of what they have to say. But by saying that, you are COMPLETELY discounting EVERYTHING that we would say.
The Truth is, every part of the body of Christ needs the other parts to function properly. Even if we disagree, we need to come to the realization that none of us has the complete full Truth, and we all need each other to learn and grow in Him.
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4th November 2009, 11:35 AM
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CAN somebody answer the question ?
OR is it PURE speculation - like MOST things in the body of Christ.
methinks it is...
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4th November 2009, 11:41 AM
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Reps: 381,606,385,253,114,176 (power: 381,606,385,253,137) | | Originally Posted by Simon Peter It may help to understand that Wommack (and WoF believers) put a lot more emphasis on our role in claiming and controlling our pilgrimage, than non-WoF usually would.
This is true. Non-WoF people tend to have more of a fatalistic, que sera sera emphasis on their pilgrimage.
Of course, that's probably a teensy, tiny bit of a misrepresentation of what non-WoF people ACTUALLY believe, but no moreso than saying that WoF people "push God out of the picture".
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