Andrew Wommack

bobznew · #22 3rd November 2009, 10:30 PM

From my perspective, it seems that many times, one of the main hangups that people have with any "wealth" or "prosperity" doctrines comes from their assumption that it is all "me-centered", rather than GOD-centered. In other words, it's about "what can get me rich", and THAT is the one burning desire in the heart of someone who believes this doctrine. While that MAY be true (and most probably IS true with many, unfortunately) -- that they are simply greedy, self-centered people -- it does not reflect all who believe in prosperity and wealth, and God's desire for His children in this regard. There ARE, believe it or not, people who want more money, not just because they want larger bank accounts, bigger houses, nicer "stuff", etc. But they want to be a blessing to OTHERS, through their own God-given wealth and prosperity.

Let me just be the first to say this. I want just as much as God would be willing to bless me with, so that I can bless others!!!

KingZzub · #23 4th November 2009, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by TimAM

Link to article attacking Word of Faith preachers deleted at person who I was quoting's request

Not going to read another article with misquoted Scriptures.

I would rather sit here and listen to dog's bark all day than listen to someone speak who doesn't know the goodness of God and the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

KingZzub · #24 4th November 2009, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by bobznew

From my perspective, it seems that many times, one of the main hangups that people have with any "wealth" or "prosperity" doctrines comes from their assumption that it is all "me-centered", rather than GOD-centered. In other words, it's about "what can get me rich", and THAT is the one burning desire in the heart of someone who believes this doctrine. While that MAY be true (and most probably IS true with many, unfortunately) -- that they are simply greedy, self-centered people -- it does not reflect all who believe in prosperity and wealth, and God's desire for His children in this regard. There ARE, believe it or not, people who want more money, not just because they want larger bank accounts, bigger houses, nicer "stuff", etc. But they want to be a blessing to OTHERS, through their own God-given wealth and prosperity.

Let me just be the first to say this. I want just as much as God would be willing to bless me with, so that I can bless others!!!

It is not true with 98% of faith people I know. Greedy people are more often found in the churches that do not preach Biblical stewardship and prosperity, people that argue against prosperity and then spend hours taking up offerings. People who write books against prosperity and then SELL them!

Every faith person I know who gives to get, gets to give. I love the last sentence of your post. If you used a little logic you would realize that the more God blesses you the bigger blessing you can be with others.

Blessings,
Benjamin

John1032 · #25 4th November 2009, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by KingZzub

It is not true with 98% of faith people I know. Greedy people are more often found in the churches that do not preach Biblical stewardship and prosperity, people that argue against prosperity and then spend hours taking up offerings. People who write books against prosperity and then SELL them!

Every faith person I know who gives to get, gets to give. I love the last sentence of your post. If you used a little logic you would realize that the more God blesses you the bigger blessing you can be with others.

Blessings,
Benjamin

Hi Ben,

I like you boy, but----!

The WOF I have come across over my past are money hungry, and are involved in some quick fix scheme promising great success in finances. Most of the WOFs that I know spend more their time trying to build up their customership through pyramid-type schemes, such as Amway and things similar. They are all nice people, good people, kind people, but they don't preach Biblical stewardship and prosperity.

PS: I did send you PM a few days ago, did you receive it?

bobznew · #26 4th November 2009, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by KingZzub

It is not true with 98% of faith people I know. Greedy people are more often found in the churches that do not preach Biblical stewardship and prosperity, people that argue against prosperity and then spend hours taking up offerings. People who write books against prosperity and then SELL them!

Every faith person I know who gives to get, gets to give. I love the last sentence of your post. If you used a little logic you would realize that the more God blesses you the bigger blessing you can be with others.

Blessings,
Benjamin

EXACTLY! That's my whole point! If people would just understand that it is actually possible (and most LIKELY) that God DESIRES to put them in a position with which they can bless many, many people, in BIG ways, then maybe people would start to lose some of their misgivings about properity. You make a good point, KingZz, about how the majority of faith people are NOT greedy people, but people who truly want to be used of God to touch hurting people in this world. The problem is, as I mentioned previously, is that it SEEMS that people who don't believe in prosperity, faith, etc., have this misconception that those of us who do believe in these things are simply self-centered, greedy people, who are simply "having our ears tickled" by a doctrine that suits our flesh. NOTHING could be farther from the truth.

bobznew · #27 4th November 2009, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by John1032

Hi Ben,

I like you boy, but----!

The WOF I have come across over my past are money hungry, and are involved in some quick fix scheme promising great success in finances. Most of the WOFs that I know spend more their time trying to build up their customership through pyramid-type schemes, such as Amway and things similar. They are all nice people, good people, kind people, but they don't preach Biblical stewardship and prosperity.

PS: I did send you PM a few days ago, did you receive it?

And yes, of course, there ARE those like this. It is unfortunate that they are the ones that seem to constantly end up on others' radar screens, because they do not represent those of us who, in our hearts, are seeking God to help us reach a suffering, dying, hurting, and lost world.

mrhappy3 · #28 4th November 2009, 09:42 AM

Anyway - back to the point in hand.

DO we have the Holy Spirit when we are born again or not ???

Its quite basic really.

mrhappy3 · #29 4th November 2009, 09:46 AM

The old Spirit of Christ teaching - Romans 8v9 (meaning that it is NOT referring to the Holy Spirit, taught by others years ago including the Jeffrey brothers) was dropped by the majority of Pentecostals years ago.

mrhappy3 · #30 4th November 2009, 09:48 AM

Surely - either we have it - or we don't.