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3rd November 2009, 05:10 PM
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Reps: 1,074,096,495,861,710 (power: 1,074,096,495,868) | | Originally Posted by nephilimiyr  I agree with Andrew Wommack most of the time. I agreed with everything he said here until the last paragraph.
Where I disagree with this is where he says the Holy Spirit can only live in a person through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I believe the Holy Spirit comes and lives in a person when they first believe and become born again but the baptism of the Holy Spirit is seperate and comes about after the Holy Spirit is already living inside the believer.
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3rd November 2009, 05:15 PM
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3rd November 2009, 05:58 PM
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Since sin is dead apart from law, what happens if we live under law?
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Romans 7:8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.
The proper way to read Romans 3:31.
3:31. Do we overthrow the OT by the justifying faith of Jew and Gentile? No, we uphold the OT. |
3rd November 2009, 06:28 PM
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That's because he's a Word of Faith preacher. He thinks God completed everything He had to do at the cross, now it's up to you to claim it all.
According to Wommack: God even relinquished His sovereignty over to you, God no longer controls what happens on the earth, you do.
In this way, WoF does push God out of the picture. Now it's all about you...
Which is another reason I advise you don't listen to Wommack.
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3rd November 2009, 07:33 PM
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Reps: 3,648,695,239,759,241,728 (power: 3,648,695,239,759,266) | | Originally Posted by Simon Peter That's because he's a Word of Faith preacher. He thinks God completed everything He had to do at the cross, now it's up to you to claim it all.
According to Wommack: God even relinquished His sovereignty over to you, God no longer controls what happens on the earth, you do.
In this way, WoF does push God out of the picture. Now it's all about you...
Which is another reason I advise you don't listen to Wommack.
peace,
Simon
Yea,that the exact,"me emphasis" that I feel.I think it shoulld be faith imputed.Not an intellectual approach.
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Romans 7:8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.
The proper way to read Romans 3:31.
3:31. Do we overthrow the OT by the justifying faith of Jew and Gentile? No, we uphold the OT. |
3rd November 2009, 08:06 PM
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Reps: 155,696,005,911,999,168 (power: 155,696,005,912,020) | | | You lot clearly have NOT listened to him much at all. If at all in fact if you think his message is me orientated. You really should listen to him before criticising. I would say that most of Andrew's teaching is about that it is not us but God, and his last three books are ALL about that.
Try the newest link on his website called LIVING IN GRACE AND FAITH and listen to the five sermons if you want to find out what he is all about.
I cannot post the link to the website as we are not allowed to post links to websites that sell products even if the purpose of posting the link is to enable someone to listen to a free message, but you could try google.
Failing that you could type in the first letters of Andrew Wommack Ministries International followed by a full stop and then the word that comes after inter-.
Blessings,
Benjamin
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3rd November 2009, 09:03 PM
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I HAVE :-) read quite a few of Wommack's teachings.
It may help to understand that Wommack (and WoF believers) put a lot more emphasis on our role in claiming and controlling our pilgrimage, than non-WoF usually would.
Here's a Wommack quote:
One of the worst doctrines in the body of Christ is the belief that God controls everything that happens. Fundamentalists/Evangelical Christians believe that God either wills or permits everything. They teach that God may not will all the terrible things that happen but that Satan has to get His permission before he can do anything.
Here's a Wommack quote from Living in the Balance of Grace and Faith:
God has already done His part; it is now up to you to receive the truth by faith and make it a reality in your life. Amen!
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3rd November 2009, 09:05 PM
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Reps: 155,696,005,911,999,168 (power: 155,696,005,912,020) | | | Some great quotes there Simon, thanks for posting!
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3rd November 2009, 09:08 PM
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Reps: 3,648,695,239,759,241,728 (power: 3,648,695,239,759,266) | | Originally Posted by KingZzub You lot clearly have NOT listened to him much at all. If at all in fact if you think his message is me orientated. You really should listen to him before criticising. I would say that most of Andrew's teaching is about that it is not us but God, and his last three books are ALL about that.
Try the newest link on his website called LIVING IN GRACE AND FAITH and listen to the five sermons if you want to find out what he is all about.
I cannot post the link to the website as we are not allowed to post links to websites that sell products even if the purpose of posting the link is to enable someone to listen to a free message, but you could try google.
Failing that you could type in the first letters of Andrew Wommack Ministries International followed by a full stop and then the word that comes after inter-.
Blessings,
Benjamin
I tried.But if a minister is imparting life,our sprits will respond,because faith is being imputed.Abraham heard,then believed.
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Romans 7:8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.
The proper way to read Romans 3:31.
3:31. Do we overthrow the OT by the justifying faith of Jew and Gentile? No, we uphold the OT. |
3rd November 2009, 09:13 PM
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Reps: 155,696,005,911,999,168 (power: 155,696,005,912,020) | | Originally Posted by Simon Peter Andrew Wommack is very much a Word of Faith teacher.
Do you think God is sovereign?
Wommack teaches that God has relinquished His authority to you. God no longer controls what happens on the earth, you do.
And he teaches this from a wonderful book, Simon, called the Bible.
Do you think God allows sickness?
Wommack says it’s always God’s will to heal.
So does the Bible.
Does God want you to be rich?
Wommack teaches principles in how to obtain wealth.
So does the Bible. You fail to mention the millions that the man has given away, the people he helps and the fact that he lives in the same house he has lived in for 20 years. He is totally humble and sincere and has never let money own him or lord him. You will not find a Grassley report against Andrew Wommack!
Does God allow and use trials in your life.
Wommack says all trials are from the Devil, never from God.
Not strictly true, but close enough.
Do you believe in positive confession?
Wommack does.
Yes I do, he does, Hagin does and Jesus does.
Word of Faith has a very different, often polar opposite, perspective on who God is and His dealing with men, compared to traditional Christianity. The WoF understanding of God effects every part of their teaching
I think a better phrase would be religious lifeless unbelieving Wordless Christianity than traditional Christianity.
If you don’t believe in the Word of Faith ‘gospel’ you shouldn’t be listening to WoF teachers.
Stay away from Paul as well, you might find out that he came up with the phrase word of faith.
If you believe the Word of Faith ‘gospel’ then I’m sure you will like Wommack’s teaching.
Actually, a lot of WoF people don't like his teaching and a lot of non-WoF people listen to him, but there you go. I am going to his conference in the UK in May, I will poll 100 people and see if they self-reference as WoF and I will let you know.
Peace and prosperity,
Ben
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