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6th November 2009, 07:36 AM
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Reps: 34,424,230,142,519,912 (power: 34,424,230,142,528) | | Originally Posted by GailMc  Well Gary, you may feel that Halloween is still a pagan holiday. Are you pagan? No. Neither am I a Christian that follows pagan roots. To me it's still all about getting the children dressed in cute costumes and going door to door for candy. To me it's about ignorant people that know no better. And, it's about people who do know better but ignore the fact in favour of their own interests. And of course it's about real pagans taking part in their own practice. Of course this must be done safely and if the neighborhood thinks it's a large bunch of pagan children coming to gather candy treats by all means.................................................what should pagan children wear on Halloween next year? TOGAS????? Or how about going out as your favorite saint. Urmmm, there are many practices of children being made to look cute! Children do not need to dress up in a pagan manner to look cute, they look cute without that. I do not. However, I have cute little nieces that follow the Church of England's (Anglican) advice for halloween. That advice is take no part in halloween. On halloween, our church holds what is called a "Light Party" for children to attend in order to offer an alternative to halloween. I haven't any grandchildren to take door to door yet. I can't wait. They'll be sooooooooo cute. Rather than look forward to deceiving children into believing false pagan rites, why not look forward to teaching them the truth. You might like to try a Light Party. See link below. Light Party is a Halloween alternative | Light Party Ltd
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6th November 2009, 10:54 PM
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Reps: 26,510,215,182,048,496 (power: 26,510,215,182,059) | | Originally Posted by Gary51 On halloween, our church holds what is called a "Light Party" for children to attend in order to offer an alternative to halloween.
So there is a celebration on Oct 31st. I see that they too are celebrating a pagan holiday, only in a different way.
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Reps: 481,213,167,237,329,856 (power: 481,213,167,237,361) | | Originally Posted by philadiddle It's been quite cold the last few years on Oct 31, so I prayed that it would be warmer this year for the trick or treaters. God heard my prayers and answered them. It was warmer this year and we didn't have to bundle up our kids. Their costumes weren't hidden under their winter coats. Praise God for hearing our prayers and taking the time to answer them!!!!
So it's you that's responsible for Global Warming. You ba....
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7th November 2009, 02:55 AM
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Oh my gosh that's totally what caused global warming. How often do people pray for colder weather? Not nearly as often as people pray for warmer nicer weather. All of these tiny acts of God to answer prayer for nice weather, either from farmers or someone getting married, have added up to cause global warming!!!!!
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7th November 2009, 07:06 AM
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Reps: 34,424,230,142,519,912 (power: 34,424,230,142,528) | | Originally Posted by philadiddle So there is a celebration on Oct 31st. I see that they too are celebrating a pagan holiday, only in a different way. Boy, some people will say anything to avoid facing up to the facts! So, if anybody does any kind of event on 31st Oct it is wrong. It sounds a bit like, if a Muslim has a party on 25th Dec he must be celebrating Christmas in some way! You argue with the Pope, you argue with the COE. It seems those large organizations are wrong and you are right.
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25th November 2009, 12:06 AM
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Reps: 9,768,159,522,291,298 (power: 9,768,159,522,294) | | Originally Posted by Gary51 Boy, some people will say anything to avoid facing up to the facts!
Indeed! Originally Posted by Gary51 It sounds a bit like, if a Muslim has a party on 25th Dec he must be celebrating Christmas in some way!
And if a Christian celebrates the birth of ye Messiah on that same day, he must be participating in paganism! So, 'tis not the day; must be the custom. Our Lord and Savior was born into humanity for our salvation, and you refuse to celebrate it because of the day on which it falls?
It seems you are becoming defensive in your replies, and this is not an offensive response to it, but I ask that you have patience with us, and we with you, so that we can come to, at the very least, a mutual understanding of the basis of each others' beliefs.
God Bless.
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25th November 2009, 12:31 AM
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25th November 2009, 02:06 AM
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Reps: 26,510,215,182,048,496 (power: 26,510,215,182,059) | | Originally Posted by Gary51 Boy, some people will say anything to avoid facing up to the facts!
So, if anybody does any kind of event on 31st Oct it is wrong. It sounds a bit like, if a Muslim has a party on 25th Dec he must be celebrating Christmas in some way!
You argue with the Pope, you argue with the COE. It seems those large organizations are wrong and you are right.
Exactly, just because people are going door to door looking for candy doesn't mean they are doing it with the intentions the pagans had.
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25th November 2009, 02:18 AM
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Reps: 4,469,601,123,595,931,136 (power: 4,469,601,123,595,947) | | | Christmas is about Love, and expressing love for others. I don't think the Lord Jesus Christ would frown upon honoring Him by giving gifts to those we love. I'm not happy with the over commercialization of Christmas, but in this recession any stimulus of the economy may ultimately save jobs, and I don't see that as inherently evil either. Labeling something Pagan due to some ancient roots doesn't diminish the Christian fellowship and expressions of love that it brings. Frankly I have no idea about the Pagan roots of Christmas that are mentioned above, nor do I find it particularly relevant. I think Jesus Christ knows what is in my heart and behind my motives to celebrate expressing Love in Honor of His Name, and in actualizing his "New" Commandment to "Love one another as yourself". And for me, it's MERRY CHRISTMAS, not HAPPY Holidays! I personally plan to attend every Church based Christmas program in my geographic vicinity. Regardless of the origin, it makes our culture stop for a day at set aside our selfishness to do something for our fellow man that makes it all worthwhile.
In fact, we have Christmas related charity drives to fund foreign missions to spread the Gospel, we raise funds to feed the homeless due to the Christmas season, and much good comes out of the national Holiday that on all of our US calendars is labeled "Christmas". I'm unconvinced we are serving Satan by our Christmas cheer and traditions that express our love for one another.
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