Christian and Evolution

Thankfully, the Bible does not fall into either of those categories.

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"For the word of God is living, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

I call shenanigans. This does not strike me as the sort of thing a Buddhist would post. I may be wrong. But this post strikes me as too pointed. Are you actually a creationist posting from a sock account?

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Some people believe that because a Christian rejects the ToE that they reject all science. That is not the case and simply shows how narrow-minded some people can be. And some people mistake oral tradition for mythology. Strange that they can't recognize the difference even now in an age when the knowledge they receive through education is more advanced than at any time in history.

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"For the word of God is living, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

Gentle reminder: only the Original Poster and Christians should be posting in this thread, and Christians should confine themselves to responding to the original poster.

People want a discussion on the pros and cons of evolutionary theory they must take that to an appropriate forum.

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love is stronger than hate,
light is stronger than darkness,
life is stronger than death,
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Wow! So you really think that we reject the physics that makes a light bulb work. And that we reject the chemical and medical discoveries that allow scientists to make antibiotics that fight infection in our bodies. And that we reject the mathematics that are required for the production of this computer or putting a man in space. Amazing. The fact is that we recognize and applaud the sciences that make possible the multitude of things that we use everyday. But in recognizing good scientific work, one must also recognize bad scientific work, and ToE falls into the latter category. To base a whole scientific endeavor on unfounded assumptions is simply bad science.

I have to admit to a common misunderstanding which I fell into. According to the strict definition of mythology, and/or folklore, the Bible does indeed fall into that category...being stories of ancient times. However, and this is where I went astray, it is commonly assumed that myth equals falsehood, and as I found out, such is not necessarily the case.

From Wikipedia sources- "The term "myth" is often used colloquially to refer to a false story; however, the academic use of the term generally does not refer to truth or falsity....As sacred stories, myths are often endorsed by rulers and priests and closely linked to religion. In the society in which it is told, a myth is usually regarded as a true account of the remote past. In fact, many societies have two categories of traditional narrative—(1) "true stories", or myths, and (2) "false stories", or fables."

My mistake was in rejecting the use of the term "myth" because I too was under the impression that a "myth" was a false story with no basis in fact. I know now that is not the case. The Bible may be a collection of ancient stories, but that doesn't mean they are false. Many of them have been confirmed by independent sources.

2 Peter 1
16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

But I must assume that in your use of the word "myth," you did intend to convey the idea that the Bible is a collection of fables. For you...

2 Peter 3
1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

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"For the word of God is living, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

Even if evolution could be proven as true, it wouldn't contradict God being the Creator of everything. For God could have simply created evolution (random mutation and survival of the fittest) as a natural mechanism by which new species would arise as part of his Creation.

And the existence of evolution would in no way forbid God to go outside of it whenever he wanted to and miraculously create from scratch new species (or new, individual members of already-existing species, whether those species had previously come into existence via natural evolution or via miracle), like when he miraculously created the individual man Adam from scratch, from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7), instead of evolving Adam from some pre-existing hominid.

I don't really judge much Christian evolutionists. There is evolution, just not inter-species evolution. Important distinction.

I don't believe it myself because there is no evidence for it and it is silly... in light of the fact that the Heavens and earth are created to wrap around our senses.

People want to be base animals, so they find themselves in control of gods, children of God.

That is the height of insanity, absurdity, ignorance, and foolishness... and they do not have any understanding of this.

They would rather be base beasts.

If we laugh at this, they have no cognizance of it.

I hate to sound cruel, but it is true. All... too... true...

Check out these links, I believe they are self explanatory:
10 Dangers of Theistic Evolution - ChristianAnswers.Net
Apologetics Press - What's Wrong with Theistic Evolution?
Biblical Evidence Against Theistic Evolution - Top Ten Proofs (especially look at this one)

Theistic evolution is wrong, just as progressive creation is wrong.
God programmed each person with a knowledge of the language when He created them, so when He told man He created the world in a week, we knew exactly what He was talking about, in the same token, He could have told us that He created Adam from the animals quite clearly and understandably, but He didn't. He could have used evolution if He wanted to, but He did not.

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I'm afraid these links have bogus information -- both about evolution and about theistic evolutionists. I don't know whether the authors are being dishonest or whether they are honestly misinformed, but I would not use these links as part of an argument.

Actually, it seems like He _did_ use evolution to make us. And I don't think the interpretation of Genesis is as simple as modern creationist leaders would have you believe. Actually, it has been an ongoing discussion and debate among religious scholars since before Christ.

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