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2nd November 2009, 07:40 PM
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Reps: 248,516,625,114,513,088 (power: 248,516,625,115,565) | | Originally Posted by laconicstudent  Of course He did. But unlike us, you think your fallible interpretations of that writing trump physical evidence.
Do your fallible interpretations trump physical evidence?
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Reps: 137,532,343,101,196 (power: 137,532,343,108) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET So you're suggestion is to ignore His Word altogether?
No. Where did I say that?
It is best that people acknowledge, however, that all interpretations of the Bible are subjective, including your own.
And yes, before you ask, I apply this to myself also.
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Reps: 137,532,343,101,196 (power: 137,532,343,108) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Do your fallible interpretations trump physical evidence?
They incorporate it, rather than set out to trump it at every turn by taking certain verses a priori "literally".
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2nd November 2009, 07:44 PM
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So all your interpretations are right?
(Or are we going to start with the games now?)
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Reps: 137,532,343,101,196 (power: 137,532,343,108) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET So all your interpretations are right?
(Or are we going to start with the games now?)
Apparently we are, and it's your turn to start.
Did you even read what I posted? Originally Posted by Cabal It is best that people acknowledge, however, that all interpretations of the Bible are subjective, including your own.
And yes, before you ask, I apply this to myself also.
If someone were to ask me what I thought of my interpretations of the Bible, I would say "I consider them to be correct, in my opinion." I would not say "They are correct, this is what God thinks", which is how you lot act with every post.
However, I still consider my interpretations to be a better basis than yours, but that has nothing to do with how I interpret the Bible.
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What God told us in Genesis and many other beautiful portions of Scripture is quite simple and not subject to misinterpretation. It's all extremely simple - you either believe what God said or you don't. God gave more than sufficient details to tell us what He did in His Creation. He gave us those details for a reason, and this discussion would serve as a perfect example. One can't explain away or dismiss what God said - you simply believe it or reject it. I give thanks that my extended family all believe it 100%.
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Reps: 2,768,745,801,256 (power: 2,768,745,809) | | Originally Posted by 357magnum What God told us in Genesis and many other beautiful portions of Scripture is quite simple and not subject to misinterpretation. It's all extremely simple - you either believe what God said or you don't. God gave more than sufficient details to tell us what He did in His Creation. He gave us those details for a reason, and this discussion would serve as a perfect example. One can't explain away or dismiss what God said - you simply believe it or reject it. I give thanks that my extended family all believe it 100%.
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What does Genesis (or any part of the bible for that matter) have to say about ERVs?
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Reps: 262,670,900,600 (power: 262,670,914) | | Originally Posted by 357magnum It's handy to just dismiss Genesis, but you actually have to dismiss much more than just Genesis if you want to believe in the theory of evolution. This would be especially so for a self-proclaimed Christian. Many portions of Scripture throughout the Bible would have to be dismissed to accommodate a theory that is hanging by a thread.
You seem to miss the point that in order to accept creationism you have to ignore the evidence found in the Creation itself. If you require a literal Genesis then you create quite a dilemma. Either God was lying when he wrote Genesis or God was lying when he made the Universe. Take your pick. You can't have light coming from galaxies billions of light years away and also have a 6,000 year old universe. You can't have genetic markers that unmistakably point to common ancestry and have a God who purposefully put those makers in there for no other reason than to fool us. Darwin's theory has been around for 150 years, and it's still a theory.
Theory is as high as it gets in science. If you knew anything about science you would already know this. In fact, it's a failing theory hanging by a thread and kept alive only because of the vanity of man.
It's kept alive because it works. Evolution is an applied science. Phylogenomics: Improving Functional Predictions for Uncharacterized Genes by Evolutionary?Analysis ? Genome Research God's Word has been around for thousands of years, and it stands.
Why? Because you say so? If so, where are the foundations upon which the Earth rests?
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Reps: 262,670,900,600 (power: 262,670,914) | | | As to the question in the OP, I think it comes down to a choice. Some of us have chosen to find joy in discovering how nature works. We call ourselves scientists. Others have found joy in how they want nature to work. They are called creationists (and new agers, etc.). Some of us just can't swallow the idea that reality conforms to our beliefs. Instead, we form our view of the world by how reality actually works.
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