Secret Police

Christsfreeservant · #1 30th October 2009, 12:17 AM

Secret Police

Thursday, October 29, 2009 - This morning, after my daughter-in-law left our house around 10:00 a.m., I was thinking about her walking out the door, when I had THIS VISION: She stepped out of the front door backwards. As soon as her foot hit the pavement outside the front door, her feet turned into men's feet (she was wearing men's shoes) only they were gigantic feet/shoes. Since she stepped out backwards, the men's gigantic feet/shoes were facing the door. END

Then, this afternoon I was praying and was talking with the Lord about how I just feel so tired today and couldn't understand why I am tired and then I had ANOTHER VISION of a fist of a right hand that was face down on a table (faced away from me) and then the thumb was inserted into the middle of the fist between the four fingers, with two fingers on each side of the thumb and the thumb was sticking out. END

I tried Googling the fist gesture but did not find anything concrete. I saw anything from a rude gesture to sign language but could not nail it down to anything. My husband felt it might have something to do with preparing for a fight.

Then, later on I was praying and was inquiring of the Lord, after reading Micah 6, if these images I saw in the morning and afternoon were about me or for me personally or if they had a broader application. I was praying for understanding of these first two visions when I had A THIRD VISION: I saw a bulldog facing me and then I saw a police badge the size of the bulldog in front of the bulldog. END

So, I Googled "Police bulldog" and it rendered these possibilities:

Charter Arms Bulldog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which is a type of revolver.

A private police force of Oxford University - They were abolished by the University Council in 2003 - Oxford University Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An old movie titled "Bulldog Drummond's Secret Police" - Bulldog Drummond's Secret Police 1939: Movie and film review from Answers.com

Wikipedia Article, Secret Police - "Secret police (sometimes political police) are a police agency which operates in secrecy to maintain national security against internal threats to the state.

“Secret police forces are typically associated with totalitarian regimes, as they are often used to maintain the political power of the state rather than uphold the rule of law. Instead of enforcing the law as ordinary police agencies, the secret police organizations are endowed, sometimes officially, to operate beyond and above the law.

“Secret police forces are accountable only to the executive branch of the government, sometimes only to a dictator. They operate entirely or partially in secrecy, that is, most or all of their operations are obscure and hidden from the general public and government except for the topmost executive officials.

“Secret police agencies have often been used as an instrument of political repression.
States where the secret police wield significant power are sometimes referred to as police states or counterintelligence states. Secret police differ from the domestic security agencies in modern liberal democracies, because domestic security agencies are generally subject to government regulation, reporting requirements, and other accountability measures.

“Despite such overview, there still exists the possibility of domestic-security agencies acting unlawfully and taking on some characteristics of secret police. In some cases, certain police agencies are accused of being a secret police and deny being such. For example, radical groups in the United States have at various times accused the FBI of being a secret police.

“Which government agencies may be classed or characterized, in whole or part, as "secret police" is disputed by political scientists."

The Nazi Police State was a good example of how this works - The Nazi Police State

Speak, Lord, for your servant is listening. I read Micah 6:

The LORD's Case Against Israel
1 Listen to what the LORD says:
"Stand up, plead your case before the mountains;
let the hills hear what you have to say.
2 Hear, O mountains, the LORD's accusation;
listen, you everlasting foundations of the earth.
For the LORD has a case against his people;
he is lodging a charge against Israel.

3 "My people, what have I done to you?
How have I burdened you? Answer me.
4 I brought you up out of Egypt
and redeemed you from the land of slavery.
I sent Moses to lead you,
also Aaron and Miriam.
5 My people, remember
what Balak king of Moab counseled
and what Balaam son of Beor answered.
Remember your journey from Shittim to Gilgal,
that you may know the righteous acts of the LORD."

6 With what shall I come before the LORD
and bow down before the exalted God?
Shall I come before him with burnt offerings,
with calves a year old?
7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams,
with ten thousand rivers of oil?
Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression,
the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
8 He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.

Israel's Guilt and Punishment
9 Listen! The LORD is calling to the city—
and to fear your name is wisdom—
"Heed the rod and the One who appointed it. 10 Am I still to forget, O wicked house,
your ill-gotten treasures
and the short ephah, which is accursed?
11 Shall I acquit a man with dishonest scales,
with a bag of false weights?

12 Her rich men are violent;
her people are liars
and their tongues speak deceitfully.
13 Therefore, I have begun to destroy you,
to ruin you because of your sins.
14 You will eat but not be satisfied;
your stomach will still be empty.
You will store up but save nothing,
because what you save I will give to the sword.

15 You will plant but not harvest;
you will press olives but not use the oil on yourselves,
you will crush grapes but not drink the wine.
16 You have observed the statutes of Omri
and all the practices of Ahab's house,
and you have followed their traditions.
Therefore I will give you over to ruin
and your people to derision;
you will bear the scorn of the nations. "

My Understanding: My understanding of this is very limited at this time, but what I do understand is that we, in the USA and in the world, are going to experience this “secret police” at our doorsteps. My D-I-L is married to our military son, so I see that this secret police is in some kind of contractual relationship with the US military. I believe that the vision last night about the swastika was another reference to neo-Nazis, Nazis having previously exercised this kind of police state in Hitler’s Germany.

I think the Lord is saying this is coming back or is already back. And, I sense that the vision I had with the two generals and the reference to “Scarecrow and Mrs. King” was also about a secret agreement between people who are secret government agents. Also, the previous day’s vision about the Knights of the Round Table could also play into this, as there appeared to be a reference to a secret society. I am seeing a Chicago mob-style rule of government now ruling the world, not just America. Anyone who doesn’t join them or who opposes them they either take out, make examples of them or they threaten them to get them to cooperate.

What I see is the rise of the beast of Revelation and the rule of Satan and his earthly rulers for this period of the tribulation as spoken about in Revelation. This is God’s judgment on the world and on his people for following the world and for not walking in obedience to the Lord. And, when it is complete, Jesus will return and will set up his earthly reign on the earth and that will be the end to wars. God is calling out for people to repent, to turn from their sin and to turn to Jesus Christ in faith and obedience. God longs to be gracious to us and to restore us to Himself.

heron · #2 2nd November 2009, 05:00 AM

I am seeing a Chicago mob-style rule of government now ruling the world, not just America

I have run into a few references this week, to civilian activity in policing.

A scientist who had done much research with flu, was involved in door-to-door checks for smallpox years ago. According to his data, this outing of cases led to eradication of smallpox. He encouraged the audience to start taking this pandemic tracking into their own hands, and not rely on the government to track and monitor.

Hearing him suggest this seemed the opposite was intended -- if everyone gets involved in a viral anti-viral campaign, then the governments only need to follow this free data.

Similarly, we hear of Americorps getting into new realms.

Possibly stepping outside home as oneself, then turning back into something with more stature, a wider footprint shows it's not just a handful of people who sign up to do things, but the common person in our family. It is appealing to know we are needed and useful. The activity is sanctioned by credible organizations.

Turning backward toward the house you just came out of, could show scrutiny even of your own family. Brother against brother.

The idea of citizens getting involved is great. But organized efforts with higher groups collecting data can get very invasive.

heron · #3 2nd November 2009, 05:55 AM

Fist -- I keep thinking of the "gotcher nose" trick. Pretending to have something integral to the person's identity, without the person knowing it is gone.

washingtonpost.com

"Before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the FBI needed initial information that a person or group was engaged in wrongdoing before it could open a preliminary investigation. Under current practice, no such information is needed."

Christsfreeservant · #4 8th November 2009, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by heron

Fist -- I keep thinking of the "gotcher nose" trick. Pretending to have something integral to the person's identity, without the person knowing it is gone.

I remember that. That is a possibility. I'll have to look at the dream again and see how that fits. Thanks for all your comments you have made recently. I appreciate the input.

heron · #5 8th November 2009, 05:01 AM

Sure. A fist and a grandfatherly trick are very different... it seems that's where the dreamer's perspective comes in.

leveled · #6 9th November 2009, 01:59 AM

There were some reports last month of "private police" forces entering a town in Montana pretending to be the "local police". The only problem was that this town had no police force!

I would post the link directly, but my post count must be 50 or greater.

You can find the story by searching the 'net for: undocumented police force Montana

Christsfreeservant · #7 10th November 2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by leveled

There were some reports last month of "private police" forces entering a town in Montana pretending to be the "local police". The only problem was that this town had no police force!

I would post the link directly, but my post count must be 50 or greater.

You can find the story by searching the 'net for: undocumented police force Montana

Thank you for that reminder. The Lord did give me a dream about that at the time. It is titled "Convoy Security," http://www.christianforums.com/t7406503/, so this is just another dream/vision the Lord has given me about a secret police force operating here in the USA.

heron · #8 10th November 2009, 06:26 PM

I would post the link directly, but my post count must be 50 or greater.

You're halfway there! Here are some links for your post:

U.S. Mystery 'Police' Force Has Small Montana City on Edge - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com and APF

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